Why we dont want religion in schools. Florida school now allows satanic material.

The study of religions is not the same sort of thing that, say, a religious private school teaches.

 

Yes, I should be prevented from going into schools and telling kids ANYTHING about religion. So should you and everybody else. As I said, if you want to brainwash your own offspring feel free but leave mine out of it.

 

Keep it out of PUBLIC places and you'll be fine.

 

your the one insulting your own beliefs if you feel your Sunday School (or even yourself) is incapable of teaching them about Genesis, you can't seriously think Chrisitans need the public school system to teach them about their own families religion, that is just silly

talk to your children, will take you about 60 seconds to tell them God did it.... heck, get out your bible, sure you have one, I do and I am not even a Christian, have them read Genesis for themselves... don't need Science teachers to do it for you....

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That is not the subject of this thread. this thread is about non-school employees distributing religious literature at a school.

I'm talking more about the insistent attempt at pushing creationism into public school science classrooms.[/QUOTE]

That's not the subject of this thread. I agree with you, though.

 

Well, given that rationale, I don’t need science teachers to teach my kid about human biology, the Big Bang or evolution. I am perfectly capable of teaching my kid any of these things. So, what do we need schools for anyway? It’s certainly not to filter out what makes YOU uncomfortable

You’re really having a hard time following me. I am NOT proposing any sort of proselytizing. I am talking about two things here… 1) Christianity played a key role in the founding of this country and is an integral part of our history and should be taught as such. 2) Government does not have the authority to tell students they can’t freely exercise their faith in any public school under the guise of the ‘separation’ clause. Certainly if it’s disruptive, like anything else they can tell students to stop. That is not a ‘separation’ issue, that is a means to keep schools orderly and focused on the classroom. But to tell kids and teachers they can’t wear certain clothing or jewelry or bow their heads in prayer or hold a prayer group (that is not disruptive to the classroom) is unconstitutional. Those are my points. AGAIN… I am not proposing teachers get up in front of the classroom and start preaching.

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I will ask again............. Are you proposing there be a law that limits peoples' free practice to their homes and churches?

 

So, our founders were attempting to brainwash our kids by implementing the 1st amendment. If you are a good parent you will be active in your kids' lives and any sort of attempted 'brainwashing' by a Christian will be quelled by you. Nothing gets in that little cranium of yours that you don't let in no matter how hard I try to put it there. There is nothing in the constitution that forbids a PRIVATE CITIZEN from brainwashing you; if it were even possible - and you prove that it's not.

But you people make it clear you are not for liberty; you do not stand up for our constitution and the freedoms it was meant to protect. You want a dictatorship based on your discomfort of things you disagree with.

 

Where did I state that in my "Keep it out of PUBLIC places and you'll be fine."

See, that's the problem, you religious pushers just do NOT understand "PUBLIC".

Pray, dance naked,wrestle snakes, preach, use incense, silly rituals, chant...whatever, just don't do it using PUBLIC property....PUBLIC schools are PUBLIC...that means ALL taxpayer's pay for them not just YOUR favorite cult.

 

I agree, we should talk about the theocracy we were fleeing and the religious freedom this country has... in history... not science

the school has just as much right to tell a student to be quite and not disturb the class be it using religious freedom or freedom of speech, your there to learn not to disrupt the class with your own topics

what would are schools be like if the students could scream at the top of their lungs all day long about what ever they wanted, if you want to do that, leave the school grounds, some are there to learn

pray quietly and not disturb the class, and no problem....try to get the rest of the class to pray with you out loud in the middle of a math class would be a problem

"I will ask again............. Are you proposing there be a law that limits peoples' free practice to their homes and churches?"

are you asking this of me... no, that would be silly, but yes, I expect you to not disturb a school class room for instance, your not free to go anywhere and disrupt public events like a classroom of children studying

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Then what would the extremist nutjobs argue about to keep the population divided so the plutocracy can remain valid and in power?

Depends on the context I guess, but I agree, critical thinking and exposure to a broader set of ideas and ideals should be the point of interest and studies, just not as an excuse to indoctrinate. You can teach the pros and cons of slavery without getting too radically bias one way or the other, or choose sides while you maintain your own set of beliefs and values.

One of the reasons this country is so divided is because they are not exposed to the actual facts/truth concerning particular issues of the day. Just the fact one party or the other has taken a side is all most of the ignorant peasants needs to know to keep the argument going and never solved in a reasonable rational way..

 

You and I both know that any mention of Christianity's positive impact on the philosophy and ideas that have civilized the world are considered biased. True, but still considered biased. That's the American legacy that liberals are fighting to reverse. Any mention of Islam's positive impact is considered political correctness, therefore wholly and emphatically embraced.

 

As long as the public property is free for other activities (i.e. like using a school for boys and girls clubs), it should be open to religious activity. The constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion. I am allowed to preach in the city park, and I'm allowed to chant their as well, if I want to.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

As long as free speech by the kids is allowed, they should be allowed to pray aloud. For example, during recess or during a non-silent lunch, kids should be allowed to pray aloud. Similarly, if free time for reading of the student's choice is allowed, the student should be allowed to read the Bible.

 

Your not in the majority then on the conservative side. Most of the evangical christians i know want the CHRISTIAN god brought back into school. They WANT school prayer, but ONLY from the bible. In other words, they simply dont care about religious equality, because, they simply dont believe that all religions are equal. THese same people tend to refer to themselves as "true christians" though. So take that with a grain of salt.

 

Whgat about "practicing" religion requires you to force it down other peoples throats? That part I dont get. If you want to pray privately in school thats no buisness of mine. But when you start requiring ME to pray for example, thats where we will have a problem.


Your freedom of religion only goes so far, and once it starts to impinge upon MY freedoms, then I will fight with everything I have.

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How do you think we learn to interpret conservative speech?

 

I agree, during recess is not disturbing the class....

I was just trying to point out that freedom of speech and freedom of religion do not trump behaving in class

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Well, let’s look at some of these less evolved people:

Bill Gates – Catholic
Thomas Edison – Diest (believed a higher power created the world)
Henry Ford – Anglican
Einstein – did not believe in a personal god, but realized it is impossible to not consider the universe was created
Bill Clinton – Baptist
Ronald Reagan – Presbyterian
George Washington – Deist
Wilbur Wright - United Brethren Church (very devout)
Nicolaus Copernicus – Catholic
Alexander Fleming - Protestant

Is this list not long enough? Because there are hundreds of these ‘less evolved’ people that had no impact on this world at all.

 

Gates and Einstein believed in Evolution, they just also happened to also believe in a God, as do most Christians

as for the others, I do not fault people for not believing in Evolution before the truth (Evolution) was discovered

Regan believed in fortune telling and astrology... lol

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Fine, then ALL entities referred to as religions should have the same rights......even the ones the self-righteous Christians don't approve of. I'd then like your children to be taught all about Islam, Wiccans, atheism, EVERY Christian sect and division, and EVERY other religion no matter how small or large....why waste time on science and math and spelling if all schools will spend 6 hours a day teaching religion???

Want to make fool of yourself screeching in a public park ruining things for other (as is the Christian way)..then go right ahead.

I will have "There is no god" carved in granite above the school door....that is my right, right???

 

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When I was in high school we had a 6 week block in English (literature) class, that was on the Bible. Discussions were broad and the teacher was a deacon at the Baptist Church, but at no time did he take the studies too far. Well thought out, insightful, and specifically designed to be educational. Unfortunately in the present situation, it would be found to be unacceptable by somebody who is over reaching or just to blinded by their own tunnel vision to look at the situation reasonably, and driven by ignorance.

 

okay, so???????????????????

 

oh, I think you try and dismiss us, or call us terrorists, spew falsehoods, and then the washington two step.... deny deny deny lie lie lie cry cry cry

 

I believe in a creator and also believe evolution exists. Why can’t those two ideas co-exist? I believe God created our universe, set things in motion. I believe God set this ‘motion’ with a specific purpose and end in mind. I do not take the Genesis account literally. THAT is MY belief. The point is, the people I listed believed in a higher creator of our universe; which YOU assert with your lame cartoon are less evolved people.

 

so you think the left does what the right does... lol

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they can, but the story of Genesis and Evolution do not

the unknown is the unknown, some attribute that to a God so they do not have to call it the unknown, Science says it's still an unknown...

Science stops here - before everything was what? Science answers it's an unknown....

Christians stops here - before everything was what? they answer God... (Course then the question is what was before God?)

thing to remember, is that it's much easier to envision energy popping into existence from nothing and evolving into what we know today then it is a God popping into existence from nothing and creating everything we know today

zero can become (-1) + (+1), you still end up with nothing, but you have something in this new state....

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