12yr. old shot by police in Cleveland (another toy gun)....

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  1. rahl

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    You can plainly see the kid reach for the gun in his waistband.
     
  2. Reason10

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    12 year old kids commit murder in EVERY metropolitan area of the fruited plain.
     
  3. Reason10

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    ]Really? You KNOW cops...That's your reason?
    And how many 12 year olds do you know to go around shooting cops?
    I know cops too you know. Also decent people. So why is it then I don't automatically assume that every cop will always tell the truth as you appear to?
    Are you familiar with the following?


    12 year olds are certainly capable of killing.

    http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2013/02/can-kids-under-12-conspire-to-commit.html


    On February 7, 2013, kids on a school bus saw a 10-year-old boy playing with a knife. The bus was en route to the Fort Colville Elementary School in Colville, Washington 75 miles north of Spokane. A search of this boy's backpack at the school produced the knife, and and a weapon even more shocking--a .45-caliber, fully loaded pistol.

    When asked by a police officer what he was doing with the gun, the kid said that he and his 11-year-old buddy were going to "get" one of the girls in their class.


    http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/06/fate-of-12-year-old-killer/

    A jury in Detroit this week convicted a 13-year-old boy of a murder that he committed when he was 12.

    Demarco Harris was found guilty of felony murder, armed robbery, and felony firearm and curfew violation. An earlier trial in January ended in a hung jury.

    Harris shot to death Trisha Babcock, 24, last August 1 as she sat in a parked car. The defendant, who was 12 at the time, was attempting to rob Babcock when he shot her in the chest.


    You're the one who has some catching up to do. YES,. 12 year olds can carry REAL guns, and YES they commit murder. YES, every cop in every city in the fruited plain is aware of these statistics since gangs like to target cops.
     
  4. Reason10

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    I don't know you from Adam. I only go by a person's words. Your words are the typical liberal narrative of white cops targeting young black boys.

    Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.
     
  5. Hairball

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    :roll: Hmmmm. I don't recall mentioning the race of the either the child or the cops. In what post did I do that?
     
  6. Meta777

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    Sure they are, but I'm also sure that you know plenty of 12 year olds who are fine kids who'd never kill anyone.
    And yet you knowing those 12 year old is not enough for you to conclude that 12 year olds will never kill? Why is that?
    Well there's the obvious reason of course, being that 12 year olds have killed in the past, and therefore,
    your knowing a few 12 year olds that you believe would never kill is not sufficient for concluding that 12 year olds never do.

    Likewise, your knowing a few cops is not evidence enough to conclude that cops never kill and lie about the reasons for it.
    To suggest that would be to commit a formal fallacy.

    Do you know the two you posted about? As in know personally as a presume you know the cops you were referring to?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_example
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect

    And just what is it I need to be catching up on?
    I'm not the one who falsely claimed that the media has only covered two instances of white cops shooting black people.

    Also, what statistics are you referring to? you didn't post any statistics...

    -Meta
     
  7. RonThomas

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    WOW I have no idea where you are getting your info or if you just pulled it out your ass. But the real number for 2014 is 1....1...that's right, just 1.
     
  8. RonThomas

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    Yes, of course we all know that. The cop definitely should know that. So, their decision to bum rush this kid who was sitting alone looks even worse for them. They put themselves in danger when there was no need to do so. No shots reported fired, the kid was sitting alone, and yet the decided they needed to show this kid how roll!.....If the kid surprised them from around a corner and they reacted they way they did, sure, then I'd agree they acted properly. That was not the situation though. They blitzed a child with a toy gun and escalated a situation that did not need to be escalated.
     
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    Yup, the kid that had 2 seconds and was being charged by police made a bad decision. Is it not possible that he though he would just show the cops it was a toy gun but it all happened so fast his little 12 year old brain didn't process things correctly? He knew it was a toy gun and possibly thought they wont shoot me if I just show them its really a toy? No No No, Don't blame the trained adult cop for making the situation worse than it needed to be. To me it seems they had no business rushing him like they did. The police in this case made a horrible call to jump this child and escalated a situation that could have been easily diffused. The police caused this death much more than some dumbass 12 year old did.
     
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    P.S. And you still want to defend the police who have shown they are willing to lie to defend their actions. The gun was never pointed at them as initially reported, and how the hell did they tell him three times to raise his hands as they rushed up on him, jumped from the car, and immediately shot? Bad cops in this case. Don't blindly defend them and I wont blindly blame them.
     
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    I can agree with that.

    However, it is not illegal for a child at play to act "foolish". It's the norm. Children at play do silly and foolish things. But that's no excuse to slaughter them.

    This incident was a clear case of murder.
     
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    The kid didn't point anything at the cops. Not a firearm, not a bb gun or even a toy or a finger. The video is clear evidence.
     
  13. rahl

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    The kid pulled a replica firearm illegally modified on the cops. This was in no way murder.

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    He pulled it from his waistband as they approached. The video is clear evidence.
     
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    It is not illegal to reach into your waistband. Nor is it illegal to have a BB gun.
     
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    The cops were responding to a call of someone brandishing a firearm. When they arrived on scene, the kid reached in his waistband and pulled a replica firearm that is indistinguishable from a firearm.
     
  16. Hairball

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    The only reason the cop car was so close to the child is because it was recklessly driven around the bollards that were obviously installed for a speific pourpose. They were installed to stop people in cars from driving into a playground where children commonly play.
     
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    Clearly he was shot for being black. Oh, the humanity! When will the madness end?
     
  18. Hairball

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    You are contradicting yourself again. If it is indisguingshable from a firearm, then how do you know it was not a firearm in the first place? You have already conceded that it was not a firearm. The only way to come to that conclusion is by recognizing distinguishable features of that particular item.
     
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    Illegally modified?

    Do you have any evidence whatsoever that indicates that it was modified?
     
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    I seriously doubt that theory. Sure it's possible, but very unlikely IMO.
     
  21. rahl

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    You still don't know what a contradiction is.

    Examining it after the fact. When it was pulled, it wasn't able to be distinguished. It was illegally modified.

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    The orange tip was removed. You were given the statute showing you that a tip is required.
     
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    I repeat, a 12 yr. old with a toy gun! While talking on the phone and not pointing it anyone specific.
     
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    meme alert!!!! :::::::::::: Cops are bad!!!! ::::::::::: Meme alert!!!!!!
     
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    Any parent who buys guns like that for their kid has to be brain dead, then to make it even worse, allows them to go off to a park by himself to 'play' w/that very real looking gun, has a serious screw loose.... it is totally irresponsible, then the parents wonder why their poor kid is dead.....
     
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    Ultra late term abortion by cop. Maybe somebody should look into the motives of the parents in giving the child a gun like that. Who made that 911 call anyway?
     

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