12yr. old shot by police in Cleveland (another toy gun)....

Someone at the park, saying he/she guessed the gun was a replica, but guessing just doesn't cut it........

Personally, I think those damn guns should be banned.... and I'm being to think people should have to take a psychological test b/f they're allowed to procreate! No common sense? No kids! So many irresponsible, absolutely stupid people w/kids and it's the kids who suffer..... or die.

 

A toy gun illegally modified and indistinguishable from a real firearm.

 

Do you have any evidence whatsoever that it ever had an orange tip on it?

 

Of course they are distinguisable from each other. One is a firearm and the other isn't.

 

You can make a dumbass 12 year old out to be at fault if you want. The police should never have rushed up on him like they did. Gave him like 2 seconds to respond. Lie about him pointing it at them and telling him three times to put his hands in the air. They knew they messed up right away. They tried to lie to make it a good shooting. The video shows otherwise. A child made a dumb mistake, police escalated a situation that could have easily been diffused if they didn't rush in like they had something to prove. The blame rests on those police officers to me. I expect a dumbass kid to act like a dumbass kid. I don't expect police officers to put themselves a few feet away from a reported armed individual and create a situation that did not need to exist. It put themselves at risk, anyone in the park at risk, and in this case, a dumbass kid with a toy gun in the grave.

 

OK I was wrong some 40 or so pages back. It is not illegal to remove a toy guns red tip, though I continue to maintain it the height of foolishness

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/08/ctv.toy.guns/

However, if you read the article you will see what appears to be plenty of case law exonerating the cops in this situation

 

So if someone pointed this at your face, you would instantly know he's not a threat?

 

The vast majority (99.999%) of toy guns have never had a red tip.

 

Do you have any evidence that Tamir aimed the toy gun at the pig's face? Why the hell do LWNJs presume that it is always perfectly legal for pigs to kill anyone they see with a firearm or toy gun?

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

They are sold with them on....

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They are called replicas for a reason. They have an orange safety tip for a reason.. I think you are stuck on the word "toy" Pellet guns can be lethal..

https://www.google.com/search?q=pel...ahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox&channel=sb

 

Not all pellet guns were manufactured with an orange tip.

The vast majority of perfectly legal BB and pellet guns do not have an orange tip.

 

I don't know if he did, I'm describing a hypothetical situation because you are so convinced you wouldn't have any trouble distinguishing a toy from a real gun.
I'm not defending the cop, but "it was a toy gun" is not reason enough to blame him 100% either.

 

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

Key word is replica. Seems you just want to argue semantics and rant about "pigs".

 

It's obvious. Try to load a BB gun with bullets.

 

You're not getting it, do you. Would you like cops to kindly ask armed suspects if they can have a closer look at their weapon before deciding if they're a threat?

 

The video didn't show this brat talking on the phone. The NYT story never mentioned this dumb brat talking on the phone. Don't you EVER get tired of making crap up?

 

Sure they are, but I'm also sure that you know plenty of 12 year olds who are fine kids who'd never kill anyone.
And yet you knowing those 12 year old is not enough for you to conclude that 12 year olds will never kill? Why is that?

You are trying to add a (*)(*)(*)(*)eload of spin where none is necessary. But since you want to reduce all of this to the ridiculous, I'll respond by suggesting that one good way to determine whether or not a 12 year old will kill or not is whether or not HE IS CARRYING A FCKING GUN. The police officer didn't have the luxury of knowing the parents in the community nor the kid. He only saw IN BAD LIGHT a 12 year old with a gun. He had no way of knowing it was fake or not. And AGAIN, we're talking Police Academy Training 101. If you are threatened with a gun, you FIRE. NOW. And you go for a torso shot, you don't screw around thinking you can just wound the perp. Go for the kill.

I'm not the one who falsely claimed that the media has only covered two instances of white cops shooting black people.

Right now this is ALL the left wing media has, as far as a white cop shooting a black person. The first was Darren Wilson. I haven't seen you post any other examples.

I don't need statistics. This is not that kind of debate. In this thread, it's mostly about an armed 12 year old being shot in self defense by a cop who thought the gun was real.

 

Yes it did. Pay attention if you watch it again.

 

1. It is required to have an orange tip for transporting into the US for sale.

2. It is NOT required to have an orange tip in any other circumstance. Some states have requirements that these airsoft guns retain an orange tip at all times, OR, be made of clear plastic. Neither of which solves anything, since polymer guns can be made clear, and tips can always be painted orange to fool law enforcement.

The police act more rashly and with less control then our armed forces. When we invaded Iraq, we told Marine 1st Recon to shoot only when fired at. Our police, on the other hand.... It's sad to me that we treat a foreign people we invade with more human dignity and respect then we do our own civilian brothers and sisters.

 

I honestly looked hard. There was no phone. If there HAD been a phone, don't you think this article would have reported it?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/25/tamir-rice-cleveland-boy-police-shot-vigil
Or this article:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/11/24/cleveland-website-hacked-after-police-fatally-shoot-12-year-old-boy-carrying/

A Cleveland police officer was less than 10 feet away when he shot and killed a 12-year-old boy carrying a replica gun near a playground, and video of the shooting is clear about what happened, police said Monday.

The boy was approached by officers Saturday responding to a 911 call about a male who appeared to be pulling a gun in and out of his pants.

Seems like if the family saw the kid on the phone in the video, don't you think they would have said so in THIS story?
http://fox8.com/2014/11/26/tamir-ri...-video-of-officer-involved-shooting-is-shown/

 

Obviously not. I don't care whether or not the article mentioned the phone. The article also didn't mention that he was wearing shoes. so what? Does that mean that you can logically presume that he was barefooted?

THINK!

 

Yes I do get it. It is not indistinguishable from a firearm.

 

All are required to. You've see the statute.

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And they are indistinguishable from one another. Especially when illegally modified like this one was.

 

Second amendment is irrelevant here. You can't brandish a firearm. A kid can't possess a handgun.