Part 28 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

They are the Law and not Christian doctrine. Jesus fulfilled the law and gave
2 commandments. Love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

 

Not just an opinion it is fact that atheist worship their leader they don't worship God they worship their leader.

Atheist have said it and made it loud and clear they don't need you or me to put words in their mouths their words and actions are very clear.

If Crusades does not represent Christianity then based on your claim does this mean atheism is actually just an imagination?

Not just an opinion but a reality all Christians worship Jesus Christ.

For sure not the tyrants, not the dictators, not the extremist.

Your claims are unsupported.

 

Those laws came from Hammurabi much earlier.

 

Yes I did ... I even provided your quotes to confirm it... but if ignoring your own words is your strategy... then by all means continue to ignore them if it suits you!

How sad for you that your antiquated dogma blinds you to the truth I've tried to reveal to you. It's painfully apparent to all but you that it is you in fact who doesn't understand... but if burring you head in the sand comforts you, then by all means continue to do so if it suits you!

Then murder someone and see how that works out for you. And if pretending that laws don't apply to you then by all means ...ignore them if it suits you!

Perhaps your right... these games you have invented are quite tiresome... but if playing them brings you self confidence then by all means continue to play them if it suits you!

I, unlike you, don't blindly subscribe to fantasy and mythology cloaked in "religion" therefore it is not even possible for me to engage in the pathetic act of blindly following dogma.. but if dogma suites you then by all means continue to follow it!

I do all I can to reciprocate the same respect I get, to those who give it!

It actually is you who are not able to argue the topic at hand effectively... but if it makes you feel good about yourself and your chosen version/denomination of christianity to pretend you are accomplishing something here... then by all means continue to do so!

And it's my sincere wish for you that someday you understand yours!

P.S. Care to reveal your version/denomination of christianity yet?

 

A grave stone!?....

Just when I thought you couldn't be any funnier... you show me that I have truly underestimated you!

 

You just said it didn't then that it did. Good grief.

No it doesn't. Christians don't participate in the Last Supper or the Passover
unless someone wants do personally experience it. The Passover was a
command. The LORD'S SUPPER, isn't.

This isn't doctrine. It's an example. Do you not know the difference?

Yes. The Passover wasn't in rememberance of Jesus it was to remember God's
passing over Israel to save their first born.

Of course not. That's something you've derived from not reading my posts but
reacting to them.

Who's denying that? I wish you'd read my posts instead of reaction to what you
want to believe.

No you haven't.

I've never said Jesus wasn't a Jew. Because you don't read my posts
before reacting to them you've come to that conclusion.

As I've told you, "to the Jew first then the Gentiles". Romans 1:16

I don't disagree with this that's written in the Old Testament. But, remember,
it's not doctrine.

What are you talking about? There's rarely a mention of Jesus and the Leaders
that there wasn't a squabble. If anyone needs to properly study it's you. The
Jewish leaders WERE Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes.

 

Jesus said these two laws were the equivalent of the 10 commandments.

 

The church has long recognized the bible for evidence of talking snakes and donkeys... but that still isn't proof of any thing... well maybe it's proof of their gullibility but that's another subject!

 

And murder and theft are the only commandments we have laws against. Also, there is no commandment against perjury in the Bible.

 

I see the claim but not the source citation backing the claim. Just saying something is a fact does not make it so.

So you have spoken with all atheists and they all agree with your claim? I use to be an atheist and never worshiped or even looked up to Stalin or Mao. Actions are very clear? I think actions say many different things to many different people.

That is just nonsensical.

Red herring.

You are going to have to be more specific than that. Pick a specific claim I have made then I will either present evidence to back my claim or admit that its just my opinion.

 

Do you know what the definition of doctrine is? Because yes, it is a doctrine BY DEFINITION.

 

Oh yeah, these aren't your words from Post #532:

"(Matthew 23:36) The chapter say nothing about his coming."

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It says there was a SMALL GROUP of Jews that escaped Egypt. That isn't the Bible's Exodus of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Jews. Do you not see the difference?

Oh, wow, another avoidance of answering these questions.

 

I would think perjury would be covered by "false witness".. It is in Islam.

 

It is clear to scholars, not christian apologists, that this is a later insertion into the writings of Eusibius. As for the truth of Constantine's conversion to christianity you may want to give this a once over!
[video=youtube;l_kfP96O4N0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_kfP96O4N0[/video]

Hey look It's my lucky day I just posted on this thread in post #666!.. Yeah me!

 

Considering it is don't bear false witness (against your neighbor), I don't see how it could possibly be about perjury.

 

Well, Who would you testify against except your neighbor or someone in your village... So yes. Lying under oath would be false witness.

 

Hammurabi was a law from man. The Ten Commandments came directly from God.

 

Thou shall not bare false witness against thy neighbor the Ninth Commandment is what we now know as perjury.
"I swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help me God"

 

Claims are back by facts and so far you have not been able to provide any facts that atheist do not worship their leader.

Yes atheist agree that anyone who refused to submit to their leader and their belief must be severely punish. Their actions are very clear.

Then you agree that atheism is just an imagination a make belief because atheist do worship and they do believe in god.

That is why atheist have chosen the color red to represent their beliefs.

How about now provide proof that atheist do not worship their leader and not just your opinion that they don't.

 

Constantine was a pagan and his encounter with God that would make him a change man he would work with church fathers to stop the spread of heretical and false claims about Christ he converted to Christianity his conversion is debatable for the politics but undeniable that he was instrumental in allowing the conversion of the Roman empire to Christianity under his reign he build many churches one of the most famous was the St. Peter's Basilica.

[video=youtube;EIxE332XQqA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIxE332XQqA[/video]

Nicene Creed
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

 

The burden or proof is upon you as it is you who made the initial claim. Shifting the burden of proof to me is a logical fallacy and shows me that you cannot defend your position.

My proof is that I use to be an atheist and I had no leader as atheism is a belief that there is no God. Is it too much to hope that you will now give your source citation that supports your claim?

 

Well we have gone into other countries and destroyed their religions in accordance with the First Comandment. But we do have countless idols that we worship. We do have to pay the king his tax money on a routine basis so that fulfills the Commandment about not showing up empty-handed. We do have Thanksgiving and Christmas feasts. And we don't eat too many goats. So we are kind of shaky on the Ten Commandment front.

 

Jesus actually gave about 25 new commandments. And if people don't follow them he will toss them into the lake of fire. Read Matthew 5:19 - Matthew 7-27 for Jesus' commandments. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5:17 - Matthew 7:27&version=TLB

Notice what Jesus says in Matthew 5:21-22 (TLB) = 21 “Under the laws of Moses the rule was, ‘If you murder, you must die.’ 22 But I have added to that rule and tell you that if you are only angry, even in your own home,* you are in danger of judgment! If you call your friend an idiot, you are in danger of being brought before the court. And if you curse him, you are in danger of the fires of hell.

 

That was never written on the stone tablets and identified as one of the Ten Commandments.

 

Jesus gave about 25 new commandments that his believers have to follow or else they will go to hellfire. He tacked them on to some of the main points of the Law. Of course if a person believed in the invisible sky deity and loved him he would show it by keeping all of the commandments without fault. And if he loved his neighbor he wouldn't curse, cheat, dishonor, or deceive him. So that would encompass all of the commandments about good interpersonal relations.

Every time a believer has a tuna sandwich or eats a pork chop he is showing that he hates God. And every time he gets angry with someone he is showing that he hates his neighbor. So it's off to the lake of fire.