If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

Do they, who, or are you going to use that fallacy of the unborn again ... if so please prove that the unborn are in fact persons?

Who bears the consequences of a self-defence killing?

 

Quit talking to yourself and answer a question ......
Why do you think you are qualified to judge whether the reason is appropriate?


Why can't you ever answer that question?

 

If you want to look at it this way, Pro-lifers don't want to make women pregnant if they don't want to be. They just want to require women to be pregnant when they don't want to be.

Significant difference.

 

Bolding above, mine.

Meaning what?


I'll fix it for you: ""They just want to FORCE women to be pregnant when they don't want to be."

 

Rape doesn't exist anymore? Awesome!
On a side note, I love your avatar pic. Dogs are awesome, in fact, the are usually nicer than people.

 

Firs tone fine
Second one is controlling others where you have no right to control them.

 

Pro choice women are hypocrites with regards to control. They want the state to "not control them", but if a woman gets pregnant out of wedlock, and even if she remarries, she still forces the man to pay the burden of child support, often at unnessecary amounts.

 

Yet again you are wrong, it is the courts who force the man to pay so your anger should be directed at them, a woman cannot force a man to do anything really, she can certainly take him to court but then it is the court who decides based on the evidence available. Just as a man can take a woman to court to ask the court to force her to pay child support if he is the one granted custody.

oh and BTW I actually agree with you, a man should have the right to "abort" his relationship with a child he did not want or consent to. ... bet that shocked you.

 

And courts make that decision because women take men to court, so yes, the woman is partially responsible.

 

Which is not what you stated in the first place.

Why are you moving the goalposts?

 

I was saying in the first place that women have responsibility in men paying child support. That doesnt contradict your facts about the courts.

 

Nope you were not

The fact of the matter is women do not force men to pay support, the courts do.

 

Women didn't make the law. The court enforces the law. And it's fair, if a man fathers a child he should have to share in the costs....kids aren't free.

Don't like the law and forcing men to assume responsibility ?, change the law. Don't want men to accept responsibility for their kids?.... pay more taxes to Welfare.

 

It means a woman who does not want to be pregnant does not have to be pregnant. But a woman who does want to be pregnant doesn't get to pick and choose exactly when she is going to have the baby.

That's the whole thesis of this thread.

 

What if the woman marries? Only two people are needed to take care of a kid. Why should a third party be forced to pay thousands unnessecarily? That money will problem be used for other reasons.

 

Either address what you quoted of mine or don't quote me at all.....

 

Still doesn't change the thesis of this thread. A woman who has had her tubes tied still can't get pregnant, even in the case of rape.

(chances of her getting pregnant through a one-time encounter are effectively zero)

 

"If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied."

people may want a child later in life, birth control is the solution, easy access to birth control

 

Which proves that the woman in question does not believe pregnancy is so terrible that she would never be willing to have one, as many pro-choicers in this forum seem to allude to.

A woman who is just using birth control pills really shouldn't be surprised when she winds up pregnant.

 

I did address your quote.

 

This Pro-choicer never alluded to"" the woman in question does not believe pregnancy is so terrible that she would never be willing to have one"""....and I have never seen any Pro-choicer allude to that.
I do not use ONE women to represent all women nor do I pretend to know what all women think like you erroneously do.

Your grasping at straws.....

 

does not prove that in the slightest, nor do any post made even allude to what you are trying to erroneously state, another failed attempt to project what you want instead of what the reality is.

 

Yep, Anders wants total control over woman .. perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to pick and choose anything to do with your life as well.

 

no one ever said they did, most just do not want a child at that time for their own personal reasons

a women using birth control would be surprised if they ended up pregnant, that is the whole point of birth control

 

I meant that, while birth control pills may be one of the more convenient forms of contraception, they are also one of the least effective. Some people don't realize that, apparently.

A woman who is just using pills as her only form of birth control is essentially accepting a significant risk. In other words, using birth control pills doesn't entitle her to an abortion if the pills don't work, not in any way.