If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

I knew there had to be something good somewhere in the bible....

 

No, it is saying better to pluck out your eyeball than risk your soul...

But choicer women would rather pluck out their fetus than risk putting any strain on their own bodies. Just comparing and contrasting.

 

Who better to decide whether a woman should risk her body?

 

Been down this road with you before, you were misrepresenting then just as you are now .. as was pointed out to you before ALL living things have what is called a reflex action to the introduction of a stimulus (stimulus also includes being prodded) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex

A reflex action, differently known as a reflex, is an involuntary and nearly instantaneous movement in response to a stimulus.[1] Scientific use of the term "reflex" refers to a behavior that is mediated via the reflex arc; this does not apply to casual uses of the term "reflex".

Do actually try to learn something once in a while/

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Tell you what Anders when you let someone else decide what is right for you to do to your body then, and only then, do you have a point, until then you don't.

 

Or better yet but your child up for adoption, seriously give children a chance to live.

 

Why? Besides 9 months of pregnancy a woman who delivers a baby suffers financial loss, possible job loss, possible set backs in education...all to give someone else a kid? No, women are not obligated to do that.

Would YOU want to face this? ( I doubt it) :

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
•exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
•altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
•nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
•heartburn and indigestion
•constipation
•weight gain
•dizziness and light-headedness
•bloating, swelling, fluid retention
•hemmorhoids
•abdominal cramps
•yeast infections
•congested, bloody nose
•acne and mild skin disorders
•skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
•mild to severe backache and strain
•increased headaches
•difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
•increased urination and incontinence
•bleeding gums
•pica
•breast pain and discharge
•swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
•difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
•inability to take regular medications
•shortness of breath
•higher blood pressure
•hair loss or increased facial/body hair
•tendency to anemia
•curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
•infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
•extreme pain on delivery
•hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
•continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
•stretch marks (worse in younger women)
•loose skin
•permanent weight gain or redistribution
•abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
•pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
•changes to breasts
•increased foot size
•varicose veins
•scarring from episiotomy or c-section
•other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
•increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
•loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
•higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
•newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:
•complications of episiotomy
•spousal/partner abuse
•hyperemesis gravidarum
•temporary and permanent injury to back
•severe scarring requiring later surgery
(especially after additional pregnancies)
•dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
•pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
•eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
•gestational diabetes
•placenta previa
•anemia (which can be life-threatening)
•thrombocytopenic purpura
•severe cramping
•embolism (blood clots)
•medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
•diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
•mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
•serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
•hormonal imbalance
•ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
•broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
•hemorrhage and
•numerous other complications of delivery
•refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
•aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
•severe post-partum depression and psychosis
•research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
•research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
•research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:
•peripartum cardiomyopathy
•cardiopulmonary arrest
•magnesium toxicity
•severe hypoxemia/acidosis
•massive embolism
•increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
•molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
(like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
•malignant arrhythmia
•circulatory collapse
•placental abruption
•obstetric fistula
More permanent side effects:
•future infertility
•permanent disability
•death.

 

16 weeks is not late-term

No fetal pain is felt at 16 weeks and as abortions at 32 weeks are only for life threats to the woman and/or fetal disability incompatible with life and upon doing such an abortion the fetus and woman are anesthetized there is no fetal pain their either .. but I must admit pro-lifers can certainly be relied upon to promote the same lies time after time.

You don't need religion to understand that the controlling of women is morally wrong and those who support it are morally bankrupt.

 

Yep. . .and it is even more simple for MEN! So, why aren't there many more men with a vasectomy?

 

The greatest majority of abortions occur before the 16 week a few more occur before week 20.

The abortions AFTER week 20 are for medical reasons and this is what some of those medical reasons look like:

Please beware: very graphic but REAL pictures of severely damaged fetus aborted after week 24

 

I like that cyclops baby...

 

And how convenient that YOUR body will not ever know the 'strain' of pregnancy and childbirth.....

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I would never inflict adoption on a child.

 

or use Plan B after sex.

 

Yes, that's the big irony with abortion. Women kill their babies because they want babies—just not now though, but in the future.

If they knew they didn't want a baby, they would just go get their tubes tied. It wouldn't be an issue.

 

Do you READ the posts here??? Women who do not have children cannot just 'go get their tubes tied'.

 

AT $30 - $65 Dollars (according to Google) that does not leave much option for those living below the poverty line,

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Better if men got their tubes blocked

 

I agree, Plan B after every sexual encounter is not really a practical option. The dosage of hormones in those pills are pretty high.

That being said, it is a practical option in the event of rape.

 

Well, it was not just the woman, but she definitely had a big part to play. And it is the woman who will be getting pregnant if anything goes wrong, so I think the woman has a little bit of extra responsibility here.

 

"If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied."

your quote is wrong, it should be

"If you never want a\another baby, get your tubes tied."

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I think it should be included in every rape kit

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My point was pro-choicers go on and on about how terrible pregnancy is, but the fact is most women want to get pregnant at some point. So it can't be that terrible.

 

no we do not, we go on and on about how bad it is to force someone to have or not have a baby, we feel that should be the women's choice

we just don't want the government doing the choosing like anti-choicers do

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It's not about whether she has a baby, in many circumstances. Rather it's about forcing her to have it now rather than later.

 

She has a LOT of responsibility...in fact only she has the responsibility of continuing the pregnancy or ending it, NO one else does.

 

Whether a woman wants to have a baby or not has NOTHING to do with what it does to her body.

 

Thank you for admitting this.

Now if all the other pro-choicers could also concede this, we could end the debate in this thread.

 

What do you mean by "admitting this".

It simply states that it is a woman's choice whether or not she has a baby.

The effects to her body do NOT change because she wants the baby.