If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

I said some women. Just because you own a uterus does not mean your intentions are honest. My friends and you can believe what you want. Whats the big deal with all the drama? Nothing has backfired, I simply stated truth.

 

So did I and you call it "drama"..........guess you're Pro-Choice now so those women don't HAVE to have those babies they "control men " with


Got anything to say about the topic?

 

Brotherman, you are all over the board on this and unsound. Care to put into context my statement with Cady? Many women have become pregnant in this world to coerce for many reasons. The dynamics have played over again and again since time itself.

I am sorry that you can not accept that women are as dishonest as men when it comes to relationships. As for the secret uterus factory controlled by men I find it silly.

I guess some people need to be upset at something in life at all times.....

 

Ya, YOU were upset about women controlling men through babies, weren't you. And you were off topic.

I'm happy you view women as dishonest....should cut down on your reproduction

The "secret uterus factory controlled by men" is a very dramatic invention of your mind.

 

Fox, if you keep putting words in my mouth or assign fabricated narratives for me I will come across the table at you and I will forget to be so polite. I have no issues with women, they are not beneath me but I will not pretend that since they own a uterus that makes them automatically honest.

As long as people of faith or no faith for that matter believe it is wrong to get an abortion (Some are women with this leaning) you will always have friction on what is good public policy, such is life but by no means am I going to be an advocate by the likes of your actions and tactics on this thread.

It is a black and white issue in my mind. I mind my business and expect the neighbors to do the same and government needs to respect both wishes.

What else do you have?

 

Fox, you deserve yourself. I am not for or against abortion, I simply mind my own business in this arena as should government. It is a private issue between the woman, man and doctor.

If you ask for my private thoughts I do find it very embarrassing that so many are performed in this nation, nothing to be proud of. I also find it insulting when they take parental rights away with this issue regardless of the ultimate decision.

I need nothing from you Fox, we are on opposite sides when it comes to government and policy. I just like slapping down and putting into check the hyper drama when deployed as a tactic and you kept me busy this morning.

And before you think you have the superior opinion on this delicate issue society will always be at odds and the politicians count on it. No equilibrium will be gained, the advocates will come and go.

 

No contradiction, you are simply confused with my private opinion and what is public policy. I can keep them separate unlike some advocates on this forum who want private opinion as public policy.

See, a perfect example why you and I will never agree on this issue. I am also thankful that you are responsible for yourself and have no authority outside your own home and family with this issue. The rest below is gibberish since that authority was left at your doorstep along with the hyper drama.

 

Other factors are causing it-the behavior and nature of women and men who are too lazy/stupid to use birth control and condoms.

There, I fixed your post for you

While I do wish more people would use protection, the simple fact is they don't, and I agree with Al Franken that abortion should be, safe, legal, and rare.

 

so, all the action and none of the responsibility, eh? No moral compass whatsoever......

 

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Reading comprehension failure.

Just because one is embarrassed by something doesn't mean they fight against it.

Two very different things.

yw.

 

Having consensual sex is not illegal, nor immoral, so why should there be "consequences" for it?

 

I think I see the miscommunication.

St James, along with most, realize there is a consequence for being irresponsible.
There is no consequence for sex, just for irresponsibility.

The miscommunication arises when one side doesn't see pregnancy/abortion.... as irresponsible.

 

I never said they did....reading comprehension?

 

You accused someone of contradicting themselves where they very clearly didn't.

So yea.

 

Baby, tubes, topic?

Thanks
Shangrila
Moderator

 

Wrong. St. James wants consequences for sex:

Back to the OP...

Not every woman is a candidate for tubal ligation, reversal is expensive and doesn't always work. Bad idea.

 

Better to just abort every child that comes along until the woman finally decides she actually wants one, huh?

 

Contraception, and if that fails, the woman has the right to choose abortion. The idea of tubal ligation for all women because YOU think a fertilized egg is a child is ridiculous. Is that something else you want to force women to do?

 

No "child" will come along if she has abortions.


What don't you get about not all women can get tubal ligation? The question has been solved/explained/rehashed....if a woman doesn't want one that's her choice....


if she can't get one because of some nosy, control freak doctor not allowing her to have one it isn't her fault...her CHOICE was taken away by a nosy, control freak

 

You just said the same thing that my link said. There are no on-demand abortions paid for with federal money. The only ones that are covered are those due to rape, incest, or danger to mom.

And NO, we are not paying for on-demand abortions, unless that is what your state is providing for.

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She doesn't have to anyways. Nobody can force women to do anything to their own bodies. Period and end of story.

 

What if the woman lies to get a free abortion?
Can they come after her later for defrauding the taxpayers?

 

How would anyone know? And why would that matter. Would you rather pay for her child when she goes to collect welfare? Make a decision . . . you either can pay for the abortion or pay for UNWANTED child. This is pretty simple stuff.

 

You know what else? It's not like you are charged extra tax money. All of our tax monies are pooled together and used as necessary. You don't know what portion goes where, so what difference does it make besides you don't like or trust women apparently?