If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Anders Hoveland, Jul 31, 2013.

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I agree, and I think the man influences the decision much more than some would have us believe.
     
  2. ChrisL

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    Are you for real? Lol. Of course people (women AND men) are going to have sex with one another. It is a natural human instinct. You need to worry about yourself. Be careful who YOU have sex with??? What other people do is really not your business. It really isn't.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    since no Federal funds are used for elective abortions your issues are non existent and irrelevant.

    as to Federal funding for emergency services I take it you have never heard of FEMA and EMS?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Except that does not say what you want it to say, it states that PP spent about $1.5 billion .. it doesn't say WHAT it was spent on, like most pro-lifers you seem to gloss over the fact that PP provide numerous other services besides abortion, which accounts for only 3% of the services they provide .. instead of falling hook, line and sinker for the propaganda why don't you actually research where this money is actually used.

    Reality is you are not "well informed" just subject to propaganda.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    nothing you have posted or linked to proves a damn thing .. Federal money does NOT fund elective abortions, it cannot. PP has been investigated for this very accusation numerous times and not a single investigation has EVER found that they have misappropriated Federal funds .. those investigations include ones done by Republican pro-life presidents AND pro-life investigators.

    It is you have produced nothing but unfounded opinion lifted straight from groups and sites that have no interest in actual facts.
     
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    really?? I don't need to worry about other partners, I have had the same one for 38 years. I've also never filed a claim for an accident in a car. One ticket in 40 years. I guess caution can be applied both ways, eh?
    Don't want to have a baby, keep the incubator closed. But alas, some promote self-indulgence as a way of life.
     
  7. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    Her options don't just all begin after she gets pregnant. She has many options to PREVENT that from happening in the first place.
    Again, even if she "has" the kid, she doesn't have to keep it.
     
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    Nope, we were discussing options of pregnant women.

    And there ARE ONLY two, go through with the pregnancy and have a kid or don't go through with the pregnancy and don't have a kid.


    Your problem is that all or any options for women are THEIRS and not YOURS :)
     
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    Sex is a normal function, there are health benefits of it. Why should *I* refrain when *I* have no problem aborting should my contraception fail?
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no contraception that is 100% effective.
     
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    And what about the male's responsibility in all of this? If you want to reduce abortion then reduce unwanted pregnancy and start lobbying for an effective male contraceptive that will enable men to play the part they SHOULD be playing in preventing unwanted pregnancy.
     
  12. Anders Hoveland

    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    There are countless different combinations of contraceptive options that, used together, have an effectiveness over 99.9%.

    If, for some reason, any one contraceptive option doesn't work for the woman, she has multiple other combinations of options to choose from. A woman would have to be irresponsible (or just not really mind the possibility of having a baby) to rely only on a single contraceptive strategy. Unless it's getting her tubes tied. That alone has a very high effectiveness ( ~99%) at preventing pregnancy.
     
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    Yup, and it's HER choice, not yours :)
     
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    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    It's a child, not a choice.
     
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    I see no reason to arm myself like Fort Knox. If my one method of contraception fails, abortion will be an option.

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    I see no reason to arm myself like Fort Knox. If my one method of contraception fails, abortion will be an option.
     
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    No, contraceptive choice has nothing to do with a child.
     
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    And you wonder why some pro-lifers see women who get abortions as irresponsible.

    If all the woman is doing is taking birth control pills, that's practically just asking for a pregnancy.
    Abortion should not be used as just another form of birth control. It is not appropriate to use abortion as a "second line of defense" behind something so flimsy and ineffective as birth control pills.
     
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    :roflol: Uh, women don't give a rat's behind what Anti-Choicers think of them....did you think they did ?! :roflol:


    Abortion can be used for whatever a woman wants to use it for which is usually to end a pregnancy...:)
     
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    Where have I ever wondered that? Please provide a quote or admit you lied.

    Personally, I don't give a fat rat's arse what anti choicers think.



    I don't use the pill, can't due to contraindications. I will use what *I* choose and if it fails, abortion will be an option. Don't like it? Cope.

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    Great minds think alike :)
     
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    Taking a crap is a normal function. Spreading legs irresponsibly is not.

    We are not a third world country where we breed like rabbits. Or at least some of us aren't.

    Skimming this thread is hilarious. Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed.

    Too funny.
     
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    you may murder anything you want.
    Don't like the consequences, cease activities that would lead to abortions time and time again
     
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    Why is it that some men feel they have the right to a woman's genitals and privacy?

    Do they also feel they get to use her vagina for personal pleasure on demand?
    Would they be Okay allowing some guy to do so with their sister/mother?

    Do they think it's a good idea to mandate guys who want sex to get snipped?

    Believe it or not folks, many people enjoy sex for simple pleasure..MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
  23. FoxHastings

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    As has been proven time and time again, abortion isn't murder and you have never proven it is.

    No one has to cease their activities on your say so....how ridiculous to think they do......
     
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    Not "usually." Always. ROFL

    Abortion has its place, but it's too bad that some women who abort suffer from regret and depression later.

    Even prochoice legislators recognize that abortion should be legal but RARE. There are very few who approve of abortion in the last trimester, unless the mother's health is seriously in danger or the baby has little chance of survival.

    The better choice, of course, is birth control.

    But soon, there will be DNA-banking and testing required on aborted fetuses of underage girls that will lead to finding the males that impregnated them. This is probably a good thing because the older males who have sex with children should be in prison. It will also lead to finding rapists of other women.
     
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    and I repeat. It is easier to refer to a thing as a thing instead of a baby. Some call it a fetus to make it easier to kill. if they actually viewed is as a baby, then abortions would fall in numbers.
    I have already agreed to abortions could be a necessity for complicated pregnancies and cases of incest/rape. but to get one just because it interferes with a person sex life is not a good reason, IMO. Thank you science. You have taken the human out of humanity!!!
     
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