Trans teen commits suicide due to transphobic parents

The angst was over the fact that even with successful transitioning he would "look like a man in drag for the rest of my life." like most transgendered men.

 

A lot of trans women fear looking like men. It's no different than the way that most cis women worry about their appearance.

And a word on nomenclature: A trans woman is MtF. A trans man is FtM. If you don't keep the terms straight, confusion can arise.

 

Yeah, regardless of what their parents think. Soooooo not sure of the relevance to your claim. You keep relying upon the psycho analysis of Dr Breakdown, Illl rely upon what the kid said.

 

We need to keep this in perspective. We aren't talking about a medical procedure, we are talking about cosmetic surgery. Generally speaking people that get cosmetic surgery are not really happy with themselves to begin with. I think we'd see higher suicide rates among any recipients of cosmetic surgery.

Clinically effective at what? My understanding is that it's purpose is to make someone appear to be the opposite sex. So it's effectiveness is really subjective.

That's all fine and dandy, but who are we to tell someone they can't elect to have cosmetic surgery? I never once saw a thread about a woman getting a boob job.

 

Support and involvement from parents can help teenagers cope with the world that sometimes appears desperate to them.

I remember having depressing feelings as a teenager and my folks talked to me about them.

If they are too scared to talk to their child the kid may find it difficult to cope in a world where they don't have the skills or experience. That's one if the jobs parents have.

 

Yes, nearly 20% attempt or succeed at suicide if the proceed to have SRS. Apparently the pyschiatrists who sign off on the amputation of men's genitals are of the opinion that suicide is good mental health.

 

My post is specifically about men who have SRS surgery, not she-males. While the word "transgender" is now applied to transvestites and she-males, those are not really transgender, though most likely are transsexual.

Allowing permanently crippling surgery is not as simple as anyone can get what they want for the wanting if an adult, because it can be due to severe psychological disturbance that amputative surgery fully unable to be reversed may only worsen the disturbance.

Thus, if a person wants their eyes removed because of something the Bible says, or wants their arms or legs cut off, should this really be allowed to be done by doctors, who are vowed to "do no harm?" For example, a man who opts to be immasculated (eunich - no testicles) is only the lose of procreation, as horomonal therapy could otherwise reverse the loses of the surgery returning to him male hormones and erection ability, and cosmetic testicles could even be put into place. But there is no reversal of removing a penis or at least one that has the physical sensations, just like there is none for discarded eyes, arms and legs.

What is concerning to me is that being "female" tends to be identified as clothing, makeup and a vagina - real or created - when that is a very limited definition of female. I suspect that some men opting for SRS have a very favorable fantasy view of what their life will become as a woman - when in fact being a woman can suck just as much as being a man.

It is a fairly simple question and I do juxiposition it to religious conversion therapy - which definely can be highly abusive and destructive. Yet there is no permanence to it that can not be addressed. SRS is permanent, it cannot be undone or simply psychologically gotten past. Is a destructive and ampulative medical procedure to physically immaculate men permanently for psychological issues the person has acceptable if psychological effect is 20% suicide rates?

That is not morally judgmental against true and surgical transgendered, rather it is an ethic question for which popular PCism had distorted the purpose and standards of both the psychiatry and medical profession? Should the government have any standard that must be met before doctors can do permanently crippling amputations?

Boob jobs can be undone, though few ever want to. An ampulated penis can not put back on. If SRS surgery fails to bring the person the peace of mind they thought it would, they are left with the question "what am I now?" Not a man. Not a woman. What options are left? And he did it to himself. Concluding he permanently destroyed him/herself, suicide to complete the self destruction could seem the only rational decision to make.

 

Maybe you should consider contributing to making trans people's lives less hellish.

 

You as portrayed in your essages is their adversary, not me, because your's is the trap and imprisonment.

 

I'm not the one trapping them in a body they feel like a stranger in.

 

6 or 1 it's all cosmetic surgery, and again who are we to tell people they can't have it?

 

No, it is not all cosmetic surgery.

So you favor elimination of all regulations and restrictions on doctors?

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Nor am I.

 

I didn't say anything of the sort.

And yes it is cosmetic surgery.

 

No, its purpose is to treat the mental disorder. The mental health industry presents gender reassignment surgery as a treatment for the mental disorder. Obamacare covers the surgery. Courts are awarding prisoners gender reassignment surgery at the states expense as a right. And yet there is no evidence that gender reassignment surgery does a thing to improve the mental health of patients.

 

No one is telling anyone they cant have the surgery. Boob jobs aren't covered under health insurance. Federal law mandates gender reassignment surgery be covered. ALL because it is alleged to be medically necessary for the treatment of those with the mental disorder of being transgendered.

And then there is the moral issue of presenting to those who suffer a life debilitating mental disorder, a $50,000 surgical procedure as a treatment for that mental disorder when there isn't a shred of evidence that it has any effect upon that mental disorder. A $.06 sugar pill could likely perform better with the same promotion as a legitimate treatment by the APA officials, without the trail of surgically altered bodies.

 

The legal question is whether doctors can be prohibited from procedures or surgeries by the government, which in fact the government does do. Can the government prohibit procedures that have an extreme outcome of suicide by the patient? You are on record as favoring outlawing religious conversion therapy towards minors by parents. Why? If the ONLY question is parental rights and the outcome irrelevant, then who is government to tell them they can't?

If not to address life threatening conditions, elective surgery to the ends of substantive permanently disability amputations for psychological reasons does not meet my definition of cosmetic surgery, any more than a triple heart bypass is cosmetic surgery because it leaves a scar. If a high percentage of women attempted or committed suicide after breast augmentation surgery I would favor it being outlawed if solely for psychological purposes as suicide is not an acceptable outcome of any psychological therapy including surgery. Inherently, suicide contradicts good mental health treatment.

Possibly there needs to be required stricter requirements before such surgery is allowable. Then again, not all SRS is done in the USA and regulating other countries such as Thailand is impossible.

 

It is still cosmetic surgery.

People that have cosmetic surgery often have a very low sense of self worth, I'd say it's often a symptom of a mental disorder.

 

This particular cosmetic procedure just makes some people feel icky. Not a good enough reason to ban it.

A cosmetic procedure doesn't have such power. It's the mental illness that causes these people to commit suicide. I doubt the numbers of trans gendered people committing suicide is higher in the post op side than it is on the pre op side.

So yes the government could do that. But I highly doubt that trans people are more suicidal after the surgery than before.

I am against fraud, the guise of religion shouldn't be a mask for fraud. There is nothing psychologically sound about the so called therapy. It doesn't convert homosexuals into heterosexuals, it used no science.

It's a different case. Going to see lunatics that hate themselves with no psychology background, that apply nothing scientific to the hogwash therapy, is a lot different than electing to have a cosmetic procedure done by a licensed medical professional.

Now if there was a group of piquerist transexuals that dropped out of high school with a group of branch Davidions claiming to be able to convert your sex with rusty icepicks, that should be and is illegal, and that is comparable to ex gay ministries.

Well parental rights are limited. You don't have the right to have sex with your child, you shouldn't have the right to abuse them with lunatic self hatred masquerading poorly as therapy.

Well, there isn't technically an amputation with reassignment surgery. It's just changing the appearance of an organ. All cosmetic surgery is for psychological reasons.

I seriously doubt the likelyhood of suicide goes up after surgery. In fact everything I have read about it says it pretty much stays the same. That would absolutely eliminate the surgical procedure as a variable.

If there was a 10% higher rate of suicide among post op transgender people, than you could say the surgery exacerbates the illness. Thus far it doesn't really change anything.

Why? I have established that it has no real effect on the patient. All laws restricting it would do is pay lip service to busybodies that can't live and let live. Such laws shouldn't exist in a free society.

You could just not concern yourself with what other people do. What real harm comes to anybody if somebody has plastic surgery.

Btw you haven't established that it is not plastic surgery.

 

Suicide attempt rates are high. About 400% higher for LGBs and over 800% for trans.

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/

 

This has nothing to do with the claim that cosmetic surgery causes suicide. Actually it negates it.

Transgender people are more prone to suicide than non transgender people. Nothing however about post op transgender people being more prone to it than pre op.

So you claim goes unsupported.

 

It is the only cosmetic surgery offered as a treatment for a mental disorder. The only cosmetic surgery that involves amputation of a functioning body part. The only cosmetic surgery that involves the removal of internal organs. And the removal of gonads and the administration of hormones, effect change beyond mere "cosmetic" changes.

 

1. Being transgender is not a mental disorder.
2. You're right, it's not really a cosmetic surgery. It's more like an operation. One that seeks to match the mind with the body.

 

The stats don't draw a distinction in definition of "trans" nor a distinction between whether before or after SRS. It is unknown.

The stats on suicide post SRS can only be based upon those who continued contact - and most did not. So precise suicide rates are not actually certain in regards to pre-SRS and post SRS.

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Being transgender can be called a mental disorder due to high suicide attempt rates. However, many people have "mental disorders" and the question is how the person lives their life with it. Mostly "mental disorder" is a highly subjective term.

 

In the APA's "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders", two years ago, they changed the name from "gender disorder" to "gender dysphoria". Still the same thing and still included in the APA's "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders"