Yes (hear me out), "all" Muslims BELIEVE IN terrorism.

I have many objections to this, on different levels.

For one, I'm not sure exactly how well translated that verse or whatnot is, but if it just refers to terror, meaning fear, that's not the same as terrorism.

Then, if we don't conform to modern preconceptions of terrorism (and what the word even means), even I might agree with terrorism. I think giving the threat of prison in order to get people to stay away from, for example, murder is acceptable. In a sense, this is the same criticism as the first one, we can't expect the 600 CE understanding of words to be the same as today's understanding.

On another note when religion is a great part of one's identity, cognitive dissonance might keep one from publicly stating what you're requesting without that actually meaning that they support terrorism. This can be justified with interpretations, translations, or frankly, nothing at all, without leading to the conclusion you push. This is the same thing that makes Christians eat shell fish. Unless you can argue that all Christians follow that, your argument becomes moot.

If you're looking for quotes, there are plenty of good examples of muslims denouncing terrorism. That should resolve the question of whether they support terrorism without mentioning Mohammed (since the relation to Mohammed can be dealt with in the ways described above, or some other way, and is much more complicated).

So yeah, in short, you seem very attached to the idea that people believe what they say they believe, which for various reasons might not be true.

 

Go to any church service and listen to the sermon...
You will hear fear and guilt throughout....
Thats all they preach...
Jehovahs Witnesses are renowned for it......

 

But when a terrorists kill innocent civilians it is just the terrorists that are responsible. When a Democratic government thousands of innocent men and women it is the people that elected the government that are responsible. Individuals are responsible for their own actions but they are also responsible for the actions of the government they elect.

 

By that logic, all Christians believe in the bible, and the bible says that all nonbelievers should be stoned to death. Therefore, all Christians believe in murder. Great logic huh?

 

Yes. . .that is my point also. . .and I believe Freedomseeker also knows that. I'm not sure why he insists on beating up on Muslims, but he actually doesn't believe in any religions either and realize that ALL books are filled with the blood thirst of MEN.

 

Yes. . .that is why Bush and Cheney should be tried as war criminals. And they know it, that is why they can't travel outside the US by fear of being arrested!

And, those who have allowed Bush to steal the 2000 elections (with his brother's help) should be held responsible for the evils that that administration has committed, towards the Iraqi people (200,000 dead!), towards all the countries targeted by M.E terrorists (ISIS rose from the vacuum created in the ME by the Iraqui war), and towards the American people, by STEALING all those trillions to benefit defense contractors instead of investing in infrastructure, education, and the welfare of the PEOPLE.

 

well, i do think that Islam is more dangerous than Christianity, but not for the reasons he mentioned. Muslims take their religion far more seriously than Christians, and that's why Islam is more of a threat, than Christianity. Most christians behave in ways that are quite secular. Not so with Muslims.

 

At THIS TIME, maybe. . .but not historically.
And. . .I'm afraid that Extreme evangelical Christians are as dangerous as extreme Muslims, at least for this Country. Especially if "hyper religiosity" is mixed with a weak intellect (which it often is) and a constant brainwashing and fear mongering. Also, hyper religiosity is often associated with mental illness (i.e., schizophrenia, paranoia,delusions, etc. . .). It is recognized by the DSMIV and latest version that hyper religiosity is ONE of the symptom of mental illness.

 

No matter how much you want to spin it there is a huge difference between terror and terrorism. We have a clearly defined definition for terror, not so terrorism. If you wish to show all Muslims "believe in terrorism" then do not ground it on two words that appear similar but are not the same. Personally I think most religions attempt to spread their message through terror, terror of the unknown, terror of death, terror of never meeting loved ones again. But to suggest that is terrorism is a pretty tenuous link.

My misses lives in terror of spiders, but they are not terrorists!

As for the remark about giving ISIS a pass, I expect that from a foaming at the mouth, right winger but not from you, I thought you had more integrity than to appeal to hyperbole.

I do not give ISIS a pass that is because of what they do, not what they say. Personally I do not even bother with what they say, they are the most vile form of human existence on the planet.

 

How many millions of Muslims have condemned Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror"? He's the terrorist's #1 role model, so he needs to be held accountable for his pro-terror statements.

PS You have the most truthful username ever! Good work.

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This attitude of hair-splitting that I'm seeing in the world is going to get a lot of people killed in this war (WWIII.)

The DNC (see their ad), Obama, Hillary, Sanders, George Galloway, et al all can't even bring themselves to utter the phrase "radical Islam"!

 

So we can agree that anybody who chooses to use the exact same book of "ultimate wisdom" (Qur'an), chooses the exact same invisible friend (Allah), chooses the exact same #1 role model (Mohammad), and chooses the exact same example of perfect conduct (hadith) as them, would be pretty dumb for choosing all those as well (not as bad, but still a bad choice), right?

 

Yes, Jesus employed tactics of terror.

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So obviously the more a person takes their religion seriously the WORSE off the world is. Clearly.

 

Agreed!
Too bad Jesus isn't actually real, or he could have come down a time or two in the last 2000 years and educated people enough so that they didn't take the book about him too much at its word (approved of slavery, killing gays, treating women like dirt, following Moses example of slaughtering people for following a different god - Crusades, etc.) I would have, and I'm sure any caring person would have as well. "NO, I enjoy watching people kill/enslave each other in my name, I whip out the popcorn and sit back each time the do that, so I'm not going to educate them any further, nope!" is what the all-caring all-powerful "Jesus", by his absence, is basically saying.

 

It does mean that they are immoral for worshipping an immoral god, yes. It also means that their god is immoral. Unless of course someone, to be consistent, BELIEVES that punishing descendants is indeed acceptable - such as if we punish Germans for their action in WWII, for about the next 175 (7 times 25 years per generation) years - and nobody wants that, so YES, the Jews are immoral.

 

I tend to disagree. It seems to me that Jesus was real, at least the man Jesus, not necessarily the "God" Jesus depicted in the New Testament. I believe Jesus was as real as Ghandi, Pope Francis, the Dalai Lama, Sister Theresa, Francis of Assisis, and Martin Luther King, jr.

I am certain that there are a lot more prophets among us in the last 2000 years, and NOT all in Christianity. I am just more familiar with them because I spent 12 years in a Catholic School.

 

Not if eternal hell is a false doctrine, which it is.

 

You are right, if he's not really divine then he's just a delusional philosopher ("I am the son of god!", etc.) I don't think he was divine, just crazy.

 

I don't think so. . .but we certainly don't need to agree in everything!

 

I think he was perfectly sane. Do you really think he spoke all those things attributed to him? You simply have what the disciples wanted him to be. Do you believe in the miracles etc? Then read the words of the Gospels with this understanding. No-one believed he was the 'Christian Messiah' during his life. Those who declared him as the Messiah in the Gospels thought of him as the Jewish Messiah. Even the disciples fled when he told them to put up their swords. How long was it before they decided that he was a different Messiah? 40 days, 40 weeks, 40 months? Forget Acts 1-9 The few events recorded there must have occured between 33-40CE. A 7 year period. We tend to think the Bible is a continuous record - but there are many empty periods.
Jesus was a Jewish preacher who was elevated to a position required for Christianity.

 

are you claiming that Christianity does not promote the concept of Hell or eternal damnation?

 

I'm saying religious people promoting a false doctrine does not factually make that doctrine to be true. It is a false doctrine.

 

What's your exact source for the quote?

 

Yes, clearly. The history of the world is basically a story of people taking their religion less and less seriously. We started out with people making human sacrifices and building large pyramids for religious reasons. We moved through the Crusades where people were tortured and murdered in the name of religion. We now have modern society, where the biggest issue is whether gays can marry, LOL.

So yes - when people take their religion less seriously, the whole world is CLEARLY better off.

 

And how many Christians have condemned the Bible for saying that nonbelievers, gays, and adulterers should be put to death?

PS - I know, my username rocks! Thanks.

 

Fear Of The Lord from the King James Version (KJV)


Proverbs 1:7 - The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge: [but] fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 8:13 - The fear of the LORD [is] to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.

Proverbs 14:26 - In the fear of the LORD [is] strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.

Job 28:28 - And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that [is] wisdom; and to depart from evil [is] understanding.

Psalms 33:8 - Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.

Deuteronomy 10:12 - And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul,

Proverbs 14:27 - The fear of the LORD [is] a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Proverbs 3:7 - Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Psalms 25:14 - The secret of the LORD [is] with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Luke 1:50 - And his mercy [is] on them that fear him from generation to generation.

Psalms 111:10 - The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do [his commandments]: his praise endureth for ever.

Psalms 86:11 - Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name.

Isaiah 41:10 - Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Philippians 2:12-13 - Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. (Read More...)

Proverbs 16:6 - By mercy and truth iniquity is purged: and by the fear of the LORD [men] depart from evil.

Psalms 34:9 - O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for [there is] no want to them that fear him.