Yes (hear me out), "all" Muslims BELIEVE IN terrorism.

Ok, NO, not all Muslims are terrorists - again, no, not all Muslims are terrorists! But to my knowledge "all" (yes, "all") Muslims believe in Mohammad (that's part of the Shahada), and Mohammad said "I have been made victorious through terror" (Bukhari 4:52.220.) So it can be reasonably argued therefore that "all" Muslims believe in terrorism - unless of course we see a large percentage of Muslims who have condemned Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror".

Question: how many millions of Muslims have condemned Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror"?

Me, well, if it's 1.5 MILLION (and I'm not aware of ONE, repeat one, who has) Muslims, then that's only 1% of Muslims, so 99% could be considered believers in terrorism. Not 100%, technically, but statistically close enough. Hey, no one is stopping them from condemning Mohammad for saying that, by the way, yet in this "war on terror" they don't say it.

If you think I'm wrong, then give examples of them condemning him for saying that, or I'm going to say you're incorrect.

But let's hear your opinion.


http://www.faithfreedom.org/challenge/terrorist.htm

 

"Default Yes (hear me out), "all" Muslims BELIEVE IN terrorism. "

most do not think terrorism isn't real.... we see it, so thus know it is real, Muslims I am sure are no different

King James Version (KJV)

13That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

time for religions to stop trying to use fear to convert people

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If your quote is correct then Mohamed says terror. There is a big difference between terror and terrorism. If he had said I have been made victorious by terrorism you might have a point.

 

I'm not sure what you're up to here. . .since you pretend not to believe religions!

Are your comments just a expose of your own Islamophobia?

Or are you wanting to play in the hands of stupid warmongers and other crazies?

Wouldn't it be fair to say that. . .ANY religion based on a MAN MADE TEXT would entice their believers into terrorism at one time or another? And wouldn't it be fair to say that, although believers may take 99% of the "text" in considerations, relatively very few in ANY religions would take those call to terrorism as an order from God?

Remember this?

 

Nice distinction. The Christian God promotes his religion through the terror of eternal hell. Maybe they are actually the same God just operating under different names.

 

In a perfect world I'd preface each and every statement about an ancient legend saying something with "he allegedly said.....". So you are correct.

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So if ISIS says "we will spread Islam through terror", then you'd apparently give them a pass, because they didn't say "terrorism"!? Talk about splitting hairs!

 

Jesus, yes, Jesus, is in on the terror scheme in the bible, so jesus can be considered a terrorist (terrorists basically teach to fear them, and if you don't start to think like them then they will see to it that great harm comes to you.) No real difference between ISIS and Jesus' "hell".
But since the allegedly all-powerful Jesus has the power to stop "hell" (for moral, hard-working, say, Buddhists - non-believers), and he doesn't, then he's highly immoral and bigoted against about 70% of the world's population. Jesus is a bigot.

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Then shame them until they remove that crap from their texts!

 

No. . .I don't give any pass to ISIS!

They are blood thirsty crazies. . .but I also do not believe they are terrorists for "the love of God," but rather for the love of power and money, their thirst for blood, their vicious desire to hurt and belittle anything and anyone who is not THEM.

In my book (and it is not a "holy" book known by anyone!), EVERY act of terrorism and extremism, no matter where it comes from is an actor hatred of human kind not an act of love for any "God."

All I am saying is that it is too easy to blame a whole nation, a whole religion, a whole culture for the evil of a few.

And I HATE IT when the cruelty of a few is used to rationalize cruelty (and even insensitivity) towards a nation, a religion, a culture.

I do not trust the WHITE Extremists, or the BLACK extremists or the Christians extremists, or the Muslims extremists, or the JEWISH extremists. . . they are more alike between them than they are with the rest of the world population.

 

But we have to agree that if Mohammad beheaded, tortured, raped captives, killed apostates, killed those who blaspheme Islam that he deserves some of the blame, seeing how he's their #1 role model, for sure.

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In the case of Islam they ALL have the SAME play-book (the Qur'an.) The moderates don't say "whoa, we have the same play-book as ISIS, crap - we gotta update this thing, modernize it".
Intellectual cowardice keeps them from doing so.

 

So show us a mere dozen Muslims who will condemn Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror". Show us, and then we might start to believe you. I'm saying "all", because it's almost literally "all"! I bet you can't show us it's not "all", can you!?

 

You are one confused dude.

Why would anyone give terrorism a pass?

Muslims don't. Americans don't. Europeans don't. Jews don't.

So, where the heck are you coming from on this?

 

Are you listening Jesus?
[What am I saying!? He's not real. I must be drunk today!]

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He said "terror" is not the same as "terrorism", so if they only said "terror" he'd allegedly give them a pass like he's doing to Muslims who won't condemn "terror" that Mohammad said.

 

Most Muslims are not terrorists....but most terrorists are Muslim.

Thus do we all watch Muslims, when we wish to stop Terrorists....it is the only logical thing to do

 

Guys, guys! Start to show us all the Muslims who have condemned the terrorists #1 role model (Mohammad) who said "I have been made victorious through terror", and then you might have some valid points. But until then you're p****** in the wind, because I'm not aware of ONE Muslim who had condemned him for saying that. If GW Bush boasted "I have been made victorious through terror", you'd be freaking out! Stop with the double standard.

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You are wise.
And you're probably not a terrorist, so I think you're far better than Mohammad.

 

Again, you are taking this out of context and assuming that the word translated to "terror" in your translation has the same meaning as our modern legal definition of "terrorism".

Plus, ALL of our religious texts (be they Jewish, Christian, or Islamic) describe an ancient time from which we have advanced. What you are suggesting is like asking Christians everywhere to comb through the Bible and condemn all those who condoned slavery, or condemn Joshua for the slaughter of Jericho (which WAS terrorism), or the slaughter of the Midianite prisoners (except for the virgin girls who were divided among the Israeli victors).

Today, Islam states clearly that they do not condone terrorism.

Yet, YOU want to try to turn some passage in the Qur'an into something that requires MORE action by Islam than that!!!

We already won that battle! Why are you dredging that up and throwing it in their faces?

What are you REALLY trying to accomplish?

 

In WWIII we are up against absolutely deranged people: "Paris attacks conspiracy to stop rise of Islam in West: Hafiz Saeed" http://nation.com.pk/national/22-No...racy-to-stop-rise-of-islam-in-west-hafiz-saed

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Oh, fantastic! Then they've updated those texts to modern times (not bringing forward the parts that say to kill gays, that promote slavery, that women are worth 1/2 a man - fanstastic!)

 

Bukhari was Persian and lived 200 years after Muhammed... Faithfreedom are selling hatred and count on your ignorance.

 

Too bad "allah" is such a lousy communicator that after a whopping 1400 years his boy is accused of saying he uses "terror" to get what he wants. You'd think an all-knowing, all-powerful, creator of the entire universe would be a bit smarter than that. But I guess not.

 

Allah was apparently not powerful enough to see that this (apparent) mis-information was stopped in its tracks.
Margot, they are quoting the ISLAMIC texts, not the Amish texts, not the Mormon texts. MUSLIMS are the ones proudlly displaying these hadith, not evil "Islamophobes". That web site is just reporting what MUSLIMS approve of, that's all. Their commentary is likely biased, so read the Islamic texts themselves, to decide for yourself.

 

Just like the Bible, the Qur'an still has stuff with which we absolutely consider criminal today.

And, as with Christians and Jews, Muslims updated their view on how those passages apply to us today.

So, AGAIN (how many times is this necessary) Muslims reject terrorism today.

Answer my question:

What are you trying to accomplish with this thread?

 

So you believe that, say, more British Muslims are joining the British Army today than are joining ISIS, I can assume, right? If they did not condone terrorism then that ratio would be like 1000:1 in favor of the Army, right? I'd sure think so. What say you?

 

The same can be said about the Bible - a document that Islam shares with Christianity and Judaism, by the way.

I'll have to tell you, I do agree with you on this one - which is one of a number of reasons that the notion of a supreme being along the line of what is in the Bible is so difficult to support.

 

It's not enough to update "views"....update the texts, if they are moral, that is. Please raise your moral standards/requirements/expectations. Stop giving them a pass on this, stop wallowing in low standards.

TRUTH is what I want to accomplish, and to get people to see the greatness of reality, and buy into legends.

If they reject terrorism, then you'll have no problem showing me where many Muslims have condemned Mohammad for saying "I have been made victorious through terror". This isn't rocket surgery! Now get busy finding those links.

 

Great post. We AGREE on that! So we agree that since their god is not real that they are, in one sense, delusional, correct? (Believing that a magic dead guy will come back to let them survive their own deaths.)
I'm not sure you realize that I'm as hard on the other Abrahamic faiths as Islam, read my old posts. Ok, not exactly 50.0% to 50.0% between C/J and Islam, but still.

 

Christians and Jews don't update the Bible.

You are showing an outstanding inability to figure out how religion works. And, you are equally wrong about ALL religion.

Muslims have made it very clear that they reject terrorism.

Christians have made it clear they reject terrorism, too.

Jews have made it clear they reject terrorism, too.

That's how much you get. And, why do you care whether they modified the Bible?