Literal six days, literal flood, is it true?

I guess the whole world did, and so did the chosen people who were doing the authoring of the words.

 

They forget the spread of the good word was by force. Death if you didn't comply.

 

When anyone can come up with proof of a god, let ME know. Science is gradually unravelling those things which mystified our ancestors. We were not created by 'god' a few thousand years ago, but through evolution. And religion has evolved from the time when Ug, the caveman, stepped out of his cave one morning. An avalanche of snow slide down the mountain and he, not understanding gravity, wondered who had thrown this white stuff over him. Now we know it wasn't someone, but gravity.

I'm not a scientist but I am sure that one day science will come up with an answer to creation. The problem for any 'god' is that instead of making himself known he is allowing his creation to destroy itself. And in your own words he is causing confusion by allowing so many religions to evolve to represent him. Causing more wars between the religions.

Religion is the need of people to believe in something to control them, not being able to take responsibility for living upon themselves.

 

Science is making great progress on the Abiogenesis (not evolution) theories, and will likely create a living entity capable of reproduction in my lifetime. When (not IF) this happens the creation myths will no longer be required for humans to explain where we came from. All of the very many stories about Turtles/Gods/Aliens making us will fall into the fable category for everyone with the ability to think rationally and much of religion will fade into history books.

 

There is insufficient scientific evidence to demonstrate a global deluge. So until you get that ,and not isolated instances which could be oddities, but scientists as a sufficient mass of experts to affirm that and with working theories that match the evidence.

 

Yet, there is more than sufficient evidence to demonstrate there has never been a global deluge. If fact this evidence indicates such a thing is not physically possible given the required liquid amounts and the geological terrain of our planet. Science also has examined the sedimentary deposits and geology for any possible indication and found nothing.

 

Evolution does not explain the creation of life so when science figures that one out let us know.

 

Evolution has nothing to do with Abiogenesis, and Abiogenesis has nothing to do with Evolution. Until you understand this very simple fact, you will never understand either one...though I find it likely you prefer it that way.

As it is...Abiogenesis will probably be shown likely in the coming decades when humans create a self replicating entity in the Lab. I doubt very much a God will make a man out of Mud for proof however.

 

But until they do God is still an option as is everything else. Per the scientific method.

 

Agreed...A God is always an option. Making a human being out of Mud however is NOT.

Is there a possibility of a supreme being and thus what we would consider a God....Yes there certainly is. Is there the possibility that the thing described in your Bible(s) is it....absolutely NOT.

Your books were quite obviously written by humans and much of them taken from older books written by humans, then edited, revised, and further created by even more humans...often for political reasons and to control the message. Your God was similarly created for very similar reasons....and also continuously revised as needed to remain relevant as societies changed.

 

Not really. After all, Christians say that nothing comes from nothing: ergo god must have come from something.

 

Here we go again we don't know about something yet so you invoke unproven and undemonstrated sky fairies like all other people of faith which is simple you don't understand something so make up what makes you feel good not the Truth. From all our history the only thing we have that explores our universe and find truth is the scientific method. Not prayer, or casting bones or gutting the entrails from a goat to read them but science.

I'm fine with I don't know if your only going to use faith and dusty old religious texts go to the kiddy table you have no value to the discussion in finding the Truth.

And this is about the global deluge which is scientifically disproven so move on unless you have matching overwhelming evidence to counter the existing evidence backed by the best minds of the scientific community in Earth Science.

 

No we don't.

 

The bible is an amazing piece of work even if it is fiction. For over 40 authors to put together a story over 1400 years and many not knowing what was written before and to have it seamlessly mesh is almost an impossibility. Some would say only a God could pull that off.

 

There are fairly reliable estimates of the total available volume of water (which might include ice) on the planet, but I was not successful in trying to get an estimate of landmass volumes above sea level. If the difference between the water volume and the above-water landmass volume is large, then subsidence of all above-average-height terrain might be sufficient for total submergence without having to flatten everything. Do you know of any sources that have offered such an assessment based on plausible data?

 

Some may indeed say this...I say a good editor and thousands of years to revise as needed.

 

Then where does it come from.

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As most of the OT was written by scribes around 600 BCE it is unlikely that your 40 authors actually existed. It also explains much of the 'seamlessness' you talk about. If you study ancient history you will see the errors they made when compiling the stories of the Patriarchs who lived 1000-1400 years before. Three things they attribute to Abraham could not have happened. There was no Exodus from Egypt or invasion of Canaan. Not until the tribe that David led took power, and the kings that followed, do we have any real events. Stories like Lot and Sodom and Gomorrah were based on known ruined cities, ruined before Lot is supposed to have existed.

 

You have many contradictions in scripture and several doublets.. Evidently Judah and Israel had different stories and they were combined around 600 BC during the time of King Omri.

 

God has been scientifically disproven huh?

That's a new one.

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Your imagination?

 

Nope... most of the OT was written 800 years after Moses..

Most of Leviticus and Book of Deuteronomy was written during and after the Babylonian exile. Genesis and Exodus followed.

The Jews were really impressed with the rich heritage and history of the Babylonians so they created one for themselves.

 

Certainly possible but unknown. So how long did Moses actually live, 600, 700, 800 years?

If you believe the timeline in the bible you also have to believe people lived for centuries with rudimentary healthcare.

We don't know when this stories were actually written.

 

If you go back far enough in Jewish and Muslim mythos Adam and Eve were 90 feet tall.

After the fall Eve and Adam were supposedly separated for 130 years during witch time Adam cohabited with Lilith and she gave birth to all the demons in the world

These are self aggrandizing stories about how grand and powerful they were.

 

No.It's all there for you to see if you care to research it.

Just one thing for you to think about. Abraham, the Bible says, came from Ur of the Chaldees. Well at the time of Abraham Ur was not 'of the Chaldees'. The Chaldeans were part of the Babylonian Empire which came many centuries after Abraham.
BUT that was how the scribes knew Ur at the time they wrote about Abraham, because it was close to the time they wrote the OT.
If you accept Biblical Chronology Abraham could not have bought Sarah's, and his tomb, from the Hittites as the Bible says. The Hittites weren't around until centuries later and their Empire never extend as far south as Machpelah.

Imagination?

 

And George Washington was 10 ft. Tall and shot lightning bolts out of his ass.

 

LOLOL.. It just never gets any better, does it?