Literal six days, literal flood, is it true?

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  1. trevorw2539

    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, well. I never knew that. Perhaps you should write another biography of Washington.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Moses never lived. These were stories written around 600 BCE (during the Babylonian exile). You've only got to compare these stories with known history and records on ancient temple/palace walls and artifacts. If Moses had led over 2 million Hebrews out of Egypt, as the Bible describes, that would have decimated the Egyptian population. According to estimates it would have been just under a half of the population of Egypt. The economy would have collapsed. There is not a hint of it anywhere.

    Semites often travelled into Egypt to feed their flocks and left as tribesman/nomads did. Tribes of around 100 in the Negev had to travel to maintain their animals feeding. Over 2 million? Not a chance. Drought in Palestine would also cause people to go to Egypt where the Nile provided water and crops.
     
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    trevorw2539 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you do. That's what makes the stories so unlikely. When the scribes in the 7th century BCE wrote the stories they used the same method as writers of fictional historical novels today. They tried to write them on an historical background of 1400 years in the past. That's why they got things wrong.
    It's probable that the long lives recorded in these stories are true - but in a different numbering system than the one the Semites used, and we use today. There were differing numerical systems then. The Sumerians of so-called Abrahams time used the sexigesimal system (based on the number 60). The Semites used the decimal system (based on the number 10) at the time of writing the stories. Did the scribe writing the early stories use the sexigesimal system to give reality to the story and did others use the system they were used to - the decimal system. There were other systems of numbering around too. Here are some of them - though few ever in general use.

    Base-2 Binary
    Base-3 Ternary
    Base-4 Quaternary
    Base-5 Quinary
    Base-6 Senary
    Base-7 Septenary
    Base-8 Octal
    Base-9 Nonary
    Base-10 Decimal
    Base-11 Undenary
    Base-12 Duodecimal
    Base-15 Pentadecimal
    Base-16 Hexadecimal
    Base-18 Octodecimal
    Base-20 Vigesimal
    Base-24 Tetravigesimal
    Base-25 Pentavigesimal
    Base-30 Trigesimal
    Base-32 Duotrigesimal
    Base-36 Hexatrigesimal
    Base-60 Sexagesimal
    Base-64 Tetrasexagesimal

    As the stories are just that it doesn't matter.
     
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    Well, I be.....

    Sexagesimal (base 60) is a numeral system with sixty as its base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC, was passed down to the ancient Babylonians, and is still used—in a modified form—for measuring time, angles, and geographic coordinates.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal
     
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    You should look up where Mt. Sinai actually was. And how did you arrive at that two million number?
     
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    You think Sinai was in Arabia?
     
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    That is what the evidence shows. It was not Egypt.
     
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    Ron Wyatt was a crook and a con man. He didn't
    get into KSA and neither did Cornuke.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We could look at what apostle Paul said. Or we could look at the complete lack of evidence in Egypt of 40,000 people wandering around the desert.
     
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    No-one is sure where Mount Sinai is. Egyptian Peninsula or the Arabian desert. Islam claims it was the Arabian desert. But then if averything is built around stories it doesn't really matter.
    The Bible tells us that 600,000 MEN left Egypt. Add to that wives and children. Most Bible students put the figure over 2 million. Then you've got their animals, flocks, etc.
     
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    Depends upon the clock that was used here.
    The Geological Clock says the six days were geological durations of time:


    http://www.palaeos.com/Hadean/Hadean.htm

    1) The Hadean Era
    (4.5 to 3.8 BILLION years ago) to the Archaean Era (3.8 - 2.5 billion years ago)

    http://www.palaeos.com/Archean/Archean.htm

    2) The Archaean Era
    (3.8 - 2.5 billion years ago) to the Proterozoic Era (2.5 to .542 BILLION years ago)

    http://www.palaeos.com/Proterozoic/Proterozoic.htm

    3) The Proterozoic Era
    (2.5 to .542 BILLION years ago) to the Paleozoic Era (542.0 to 251.0 million years ago)

    http://www.palaeos.com/Paleozoic/Paleozoic.htm

    4) The Paleozoic Era
    (542.0 to 251.0 million years ago) to the Mesozoic Era (251 to 65.5 million years ago)

    http://www.palaeos.com/Mesozoic/Mesozoic.htm

    5) The Mesozoic Era
    (251 to 65.5 million years ago) to the Cenozoic Era (the last 65.5 million years)
    http://www.palaeos.com/Cenozoic/Cenozoic.htm

    6) The Cenozoic Era
    (the last 65.5 million years) to the Common Era (32AD-2008 AD)
     
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    It wasn't 40,000.. The claim is 600,000 able bodied men with wives and elderly parents and children plus 2 million head of livestock.
     
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    Paul only taught what he was taught. The Jews of the time were taught to believe in the Tanakh. Jesus, the Rabbi, used what he had been taught in his teaching. We have far more information and knowledge of the times recorded in the Tanakh than they did. If Jesus had not believed in Abraham he would have been rejected by the people of the time.
    Christians have believed what they have been told for nearly 2000 years. But we now know what our ancestors didn't.
     
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    That was prophecy and pertained to the exact number of Jews from the Holocaust, etal, to enter into Israel in 1948 AD, as was promised by God.
     
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    It's not the literal truth. The word day as used in that context is actually yome and it means equal periods of time, not a twenty four day as you understand it.
     
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    Hmmm,...
    Maybe.
    What we read in the Tanakh should have told he ancients that Christ was The Elijah.

    The ancient Jewish Tradition itself had said that Elijah could be recognized by the Seven Miracles of Elijah, but also that he would do many more.
    Jesus did them all.
    Today, we have been programmed to believe John the Baptist lied when he said he was not The Elijah.
    We twist things we read otherwise to pretend the NT says John was wrong.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Right.
    The equal periods of time were the six eras shown on the Geological Clock:

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    Just your interpretation, which supposes Elijah actually did miracles, and that the Rabbi also did miracles.
     
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    Not really. You yourself have argued that the Bible can be interpreted to mean almost anything. Whoever this "Some" is who "would say that only a God could pull that off" apparently don't understand what interpretation is.
     
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    Wasn't the goat-herders....it was the legions armed with swords....then muskets.
     
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    Yeah,...

    My book report (from reading the bible) is that the OT says Elijah did the same miracles which the NT says Jesus did.
    Do you read something different?
     
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    People do say that the bible means this and means that.
    They could all be wrong.

    What I read is that Truth describes the Reality which is God for all species.
    Even if I am wrong too, about what the bible says, I am right that sanity demands we live inside Reality.
    And, only the Truth will allow us to accomplish that.
     
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    No. Except I don't believe these people did the miracles you ascribe to them. The OT has a tendency to be rather overdramatic.
     
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    There is a tendency to explain the supernatural with more supernatural rather than look at the realities.
     
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    I never said that the earth was or is now flat. What said (or meant to say) was that the continents if flatten out would be covered by a mile of water. As for families, the Bibles says kinds which I think it's safe to assume its talking about families since we never observe families cross breeding.
    We are talking about the text, not so much if it fits science which it does.
     

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