I am not trolling. Furthermore, I was not "dodging" the question. I just fail to see how my own thoughts on Holocaust have anything to do with the main point I am trying to put across: that there is room for debate and we shouldn't criminalize Holocaust denial. Now it's my turn to ask you a question. Should we criminalize Holocaust denial? - - - Updated - - - Does the fact that countries (and not just any countries, but advanced, European ones) criminalize what is essentially speech, bother you at all? Or you would only care if it happened at home? Assuming that you are an American.
Well it's not your turn to ask a question yet since you're stil being a coward and not answer. But I'll be a bigger man then you. Death penalty criminalize. Now answer the question.
What is "death penalty criminalize"? Are you trying to say that people should be put to death for denying Holocaust? And my answer to your question: I don't know. I was not alive during that time period. This is why I am open to both sides of the debate and why I think we shouldn't criminalize Holocaust denial.
Even our First Amendment doesn't protect defamatory speech that is a lie, and that precisely defines Holocaust denial, so what other countries do based upon their involvement and/or history of the holocaust is of no consequence to me but I do certainly understand why they choose to approach it this way.
So...debating about a historical event is "defamatory speech" and it's OK to criminalize it, is how you see it. You also don't care that advanced, European countries outlaw speech.
That there is room for debate is the Holocaust deniers' favorite talking point, nothing more, nothing less. Sorry, you're not fooling anyone, there is no room for debate, not any more than whether WWI happened or whether the earth is flat. Holocaust denial is a form of Jew hatred and Nazi propaganda, not a scientific research. And it's treated as such by a dozen European states.
See. There you go again dodging the question. Why are you so afraid? Afraid we will be mean to you when you fess up what you are? We all already think that. So just answer. Yes or no. And yes.
What I find particularly interesting is a thread like this being started when anti-sematic attacks are on the rise across the USA. Not exactly a subject that many people are insensitive to. Are you a Holocaust denier? I do not recall your answering me so if you already have, pardon me for asking again, but are you?
I am not denying that Holocaust happened, but I am also not saying that it happened either. My answer is I don't know, because I was not alive then.
Who are you to say it's a binary question? Also, you assume that I care what you think. I don't. I don't care whether my answer satisfied you or not.
Well, you reasoning is weird, but maybe you should do more research on the subject from the vantage point of the people that lived thru it and suffered loss because of it as well as the transcripts of the trials of the perpetrators.... http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/
You are right, and I should research it. This is why I am so adamant that we don't criminalize Holocaust denial. How else are people going to hear both sides of the story?
Ummm... it was MY question. Thus I have every right to dictate wether it's binary or not. Or answer the question. Yes. Or. No????
I already gave you my answer. If you don't like it, tough. I love seeing how worked up you are, though.
There are no 2 sides. The "other side" of the story were butchered like the dogs they were. Hung from the neck until dead. A fitting end don't you agree? - - - Updated - - - You assuming I'm "worked up" is far more amusing. What makes you think that? And Yes or no? Just answer. Don't be afraid. This fear of yours is clearly consuming you.
I don't care how much you think your side is right. You should not criminalize the other side, just because you feel very strongly that they are wrong.
The actual research has been done for us, the documentation is readily available and the consensus and verdict has long been in. It is up to you to read it or not...your choice.
We slaughtered the Nazis by the hundreds of thousands. Laid their nation to waste, toppled the "thousand year Reich" in less then a decade. Hitler was so ashamed at how bad he got his ass whooped that he killed himself like a little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) just so he would have to live through the humiliation. Hhahahahha
There has not been uniform consensus. The fact there are Holocaust deniers (who you have no problem imprisoning) tells us that there is no consensus yet. Some of us want to debate. - - - Updated - - - Actually I think the reason Hitler killed himself was so that he would not be captured and tortured by Jews.
I haven't seen viruses with my own eyes, but I'm going to still get vaccinated. I haven't seen Antarctica with my own eyes, but I'm not going to start a Antarctica denial website.
Yes, there are Holocaust deniers just as there are still Nazi sympathizers and probably always will be. As I previously stated, I do not care what other nations do, which is very much based upon their involvement and history of the Holocaust. They have their reasons and I assume the fear of history repeating itself runs very deep within the fabric of those places.
I am not outright denying that Holocaust happened. I am saying that there is room for debate and that we should not criminalize Holocaust denial. - - - Updated - - - I heard that they were heavily staffed by Jews. Regardlessly, why do you think they are the ultimate authority? "History is written by the victors' and all that.
>>>MOD EDIT Quoted Post Deleted<<< It doesn't really surprise me that you and your side are so afraid of Truth and discussions that you have chosen to outlaw speech. If you are an American you should be ashamed. Heck, even if you aren't, you should be ashamed, too. You are also saying that freedom of speech should only be reserved for those who agree with you.
