What the Wall is really about

Ridiculous post.

Try again, give a logical reason why the wall won't work to keep illegal aliens out.

 

B.S. people aren't animals - despite your efforts to claim otherwise.

 

Humans absolutely are part of the animal kingdom but regardless, you still haven't given one LOGICAL argument against the wall.

 

You are the one who is ridiculous and you're idiotic. I will let the posters decide. You don't have that much confidence, but flame away. You cannot change the destiny of a nation. greater men than you or I have disagreed with you. So, you think that all of those people are below you?

I need not say anything else.

 

You lie and you can't give a reason for a wall - except you make a compelling case as to why YOU maybe belong inside walls. You are a threat to Freedom and Liberty... not to mention common sense.

 

Haha you got nothing. I'm asking for a logical reason and you give philosophy. That deserves a grade of F- my friend.

 

The reason for the wall is that it will help solve the problem of illegal immigration from Mexico.

Think of it like a condom. 99% effective.

 

I did. What is your issue with building wall? And no, I am not getting sucked into your race baiting garbage. Don't pull an alt left retard move and send another thread down the "he's racist" channel.

Debate the wall and what it encompasses without dragging the conversation in the toilet.

 

Despite your rude commentary, I'll answer your questions.

Earlier in the thread another poster mentioned seeing illegal people flee American law enforcement by driving right to the Rio Grande River's edge, abandoning their car, swim to a waiting boat, and getting away. Where there is a will, there is a way. Do you know that El Chapo was able to escape a maximum security facility on a German made motorcycle specifically designed to work in low oxygen environments found in deep tunnels under prisons and borders? That is what you don't seem to get. As long as people have a reason to enter this country illegally, they will find a way. A wall will not prevent that. Removing the impetus to want to come here illegally is the only way we will semi-solve this problem. If they cannot come here to work because employers are unwilling to hire them, they will not come here. As long as they can make more money in the US than they can in Mexico, and employers will hire them, they will come here. If the drugs they are smuggling are no longer illegal, like marijuana, then there is little profit margin. Smuggled drug prices are higher because of the risk involved. Remove the risk and remove the profit margin. If our addicts are able to seek treatment with our health care system, it will eat into the smugglers' profits too. This is not really about people as much as it is about money. People are exploited by some to make money for others. Thus, the problem has never been fixed and never will. They don't want to fix it and a wall will not fix it either.

 

You are full of sh!+. That is the bottom line.

The anti-immigrant lobby has spent TRILLIONS of dollars on silly a** crap that has gotten them nowhere. A wall is no different. As Johnny Cash wrote in his song The Farmer's Almanac:

If a man had half his wishes, he'd just double his trouble.

Build a wall and they will dig tunnels, bore through the wall with cordless drills, rappel over it and bribe guards. The mere fact that Voltamp's side has already spent TRILLIONS of your tax dollars trying to "solve" a problem they cannot even define discredits all the trolling this guy does.

 

You didn't read the thread and YOU are trying to foist left wing sh!+ off here and making a false implication about me. I'm not your freaking liberal and you need to read the thread instead of making yourself look silly.

 

You just defeated your own argument. But, no a wall will not fix anything except the hatred voltamp has for Freedom and Liberty.

 

Speaking of looking silly...... lol

 

How ya figger? I was never for a wall. My point throughout this thread is that there are already mechanisms in place to stem the tide of illegal immigrants looking for jobs here, but that mechanism has no teeth.. deliberately. There already exists ways to slow drug smuggling, but we don't fund it.. deliberately. Our government does not want to solve illegal immigration. They want to throw money at a "so called" solution, strut around and pretend they did something. However, politicians that want to be re-elected know better than to waste massive amounts of tax money at a wall between the US and Mexico, when their voters have said so. What hasn't sunk in for many wall supporters is those closest to the wall object to it the most. They know it is a waste of money.

 

Sponsoring people for green cards is way harder than that believe me.

Most people sponsored for work-based green cards (immigrant visas) start out on non-immigrant visas like H1-Bs O-1s. They usually have to demonstrate elevated, exceptional or extraordinary ability to qualify.

After they work for a few years they may be eligible for employer sponsored green cards (EB2s) but it takes many years and realistically many thousands of dollars in lawyer's fees if you want to get it right.

After 5 years on a green card (3 if it's marriage based) you're eligible to apply for citizenship but there's no guarantee you'll get it.

There is a class of immigrant visas which I think is called EB3 for more lowly skilled workers but I think the approval rate for those is vanishingly low and the wait time very long.

The guest worker program is probably the simplest and most efficient way to bring in unskilled labor. If it could be simplified and made more efficient. That might be the best way forward?

Meantime, I hear the construction industry is starting to suffer. Laborers aren't coming into work for fear of deportation. Local citizens don't want the jobs and won't do the work.

 

So you looked into a mirror? Good for you.

 

The wall can be beaten by a ladder. This is hilarious.

 

Do you bother to lock your doors? You do know doors are easily beaten with a foot, breaking a pane, picking a lock. But, if you have a 12g at the door it's not just the door is it?

 

I regularly travel to Algadones on the Mexican border for dental work (3rd of the cost and great work BTW) and I've never once been asked to show paperwork to get into Mexico. Sure I have to show my passport to get back into the US but the other way? Nada!

 

Are there thousands of people trying to break into your house? Move.

 

No, I don't live in a liberal area.

 

No, reading your stupid comments and laughing out loud. Read the rest of the thread before making such silly comments and quit your race baiting tirade.

 

I'm not for a wall, but with respect to drugs, we do all we can to create a drug culture. Our drug culture is in favor of both legal and illegal drugs. I made mention in an earlier post (in this or another immigration thread) about the tv shows I've seen. One has a white girl that has sex with a black dude living in a dumpster and this girl is always joking about doing drugs. Another tv show had a fat cop telling his sister in law not to smoke weed around him and then saying the Hell with it and doing nothing.

In prisons we don't teach people how to do things. We don't rehabilitate them. We actually encourage them to become better criminals. And on the legal side... we have doctors dispensing dangerous drugs for no credible reason. They dispense drugs as a first option, not as a last one. Drug smugglers are like flies swooning around a pile of sh!+. In this case WE created that pile. I agree, a wall won't stop that.

But, the right went to court and Sheriff Richard Mack fought all the way up to the United States Supreme Court to establish the fact that not even the sheriff was required to enforce federal laws. He refused to use county resources to pursue federal gun laws. Expecting employers to hire only Americans is a violation of their 14th Amendment Rights AND they are under no constitutional obligation to enforce federal laws.

I'm embarrassed that you would suggest that we impose on employers. If they have a job that they created, you cannot provide a logical reason why they should not be able to hire the person they think can do the job to that employer's satisfaction. We could incentivize them to hire Americans and pay more, but jail them for not hiring an American??? Be reasonable.

If you're that dedicated, go through your home and see how much junk you own made in a foreign country. For every product you bought, you may have put an American out of work - if you apply that mindset. The problem is, it's not well thought out. Again, I've posted the following, but here goes:

I had a very small deck to rebuild. I put an ad on Craigslist. Approximately a dozen people came over. The lowest bid was $1275 and the highest bid was $1650. I contacted a Mexican that I had done some immigration work for and he called a relative. That man showed up and did the work for $325 (now I had to help) and the material cost $286 and change. We did it in five hours. Why can Americans not work like that for $65 an hour???? There is a wide berth of difference between those prices. The guys that respond to Craigslist ads try to charge near what the big box guys do and they don't have the overhead (insurance, advertising, a brick and mortar building) so WHY the high prices? In their regular lives, they work for the big box guys for less than what the Mexican guy charges.

If Americans wanted the jobs, they would work for what people could pay. They don't. And, unfortunately, our laws don't anticipate the changing needs of people who need to get work done. There are plenty of jobs here that you can work - doing handyman work for $25 an hour. NOBODY will do it. So, you're saying you'd deport the Hispanics when, in my case, had that work not got done for what I paid, I couldn't have afforded to get it done. Let me tell you the benefit to America:

It increased the value of my home - which means banks can loan out more money for additional construction. That wasn't much on this job, but on bigger jobs it's a LOT. It means that my house is taxed at a higher rate. It means that Home Depot got a sale they would not have gotten. Oh, I could have paid that money toward my hospital bill... and a Muslim doctor would send some of the money to his family and the chances that I just helped get a terrorist trained are greater than I cost someone else a job they passed on.

 

Race baiting tirade??? You should have graduated the THIRD grade in order to participate on this thread. I have made no comments on how I feel about race one way or another. Either you cannot read, you cannot participate in civil discourse or you tell a lot of lies. Which is it?

 

Then your point fails