House Intelligence memo released: What it says

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Remember when they claimed how slow and stupid was Bush but then how smart and clever he was to fool us all into war.
     
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    Geezuz, what did people think would happen when we set up secret courts? The court system we can see is bad enough. Close the doors and whst do you get?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    So you completely missed my comments immediately above the link and the quote itself?

    This is what I actually posted;

    "Alt right disinformation source with zero credibility."

    In order to support my position I obtained a link to a NONPARTISAN credible source that SUBSTANTIATED my comment.

    I posted both the link and the relevant quote from the nonpartisan credible source.

    All of the above was fully in compliance with PF rules.

    Next time try reading what I actually post, m'kay?
     
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    Disingenuous alt right disinformation pablum.
     
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    For those of you who think the FBI must have verified Steele’s dossier:
    They've been at this for half a year, you know we will be told immediately as soon as anything is verified (at least on the Gubarev involvement).
     
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    What? Comey testified to Congress that Flynn did NOT lie in his testimony, that any inconsistencies between what he said and the secret wire tap transcripts were simply what one would expect when testifying about past events without the secrete transcripts that the agent had. Even Strzok agreed, but then Mueller for some reason charged him anyway, and after depleting Flynn's lifetime of resouces, Flynn pled to make it stop, like many do, when they have committed no crime but are up against the bottomless well of wealth and prosecutors that the government can unleash on a person under investigation. Interestingly , Mueller has delayed sentencing, we will have to see what that is about.

    But, more importantly, you are off topic. The Intelligence Committee Memo has nothing to do with Mueller, it has to do with FISA abuse in the Obama DOJ/FBI and State Department, colluding to illegally spy on US Citizens.

    A criminal referral on Christopher Steele by Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC), sent on Jan. 4 to the Justice Department and the FBI, is now declassified -- and it corroborates the claims in the Nunes FISA memo.

    Grassley and Graham want Steele investigated for providing “false information” to the FBI, which would be a violation of 18 U.S.C. §1001 -- the same statute that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was charged under. But they also want DOJ and the FBI to investigate whether the representations the FBI made to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to obtain a warrant that started the surveillance of the Trump transition team “were in error.”

    That is a polite way of saying that the FBI may have misled the court -- a very serious charge.

    The Nunes memo said that the Steele dossier -- the opposition research prepared by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele and paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC through Fusion GPS -- was an “essential” part of the FISA application. This has been disputed by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, led by Adam Schiff.

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/criminal-referral-christopher-steele-corroborates-nunes-fisa-memo/
     
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    https://nypost.com/2018/02/10/peeling-back-the-layers-of-hillary-clintons-deceit/

    It increasingly appears that the Dirty Crooked Clinton machine that stole the Nomination from Bernie, was also the secret, original source of virtually all the allegations about Trump and Russia that led to the FBI investigation.

    The Dirty Filthy Clinton campaign and its associates, including Steele, were behind the explosion of anonymously sourced media reports during the fall of 2016 about that investigation.

    Thus, the Democratic nominee paid for and created allegations against her Republican opponent, gave them to law enforcement, then tipped friendly media to the investigation. The FBI agents supporting Clinton were among the anonymous sources.

    The Clinton connections are so fundamental that there probably would not have been an FBI investigation without her involvement.

    That makes hers a brazen work of political genius — and perhaps the dirtiest dirty trick ever played in presidential history. Following her manipulation of the party operation to thwart Bernie Sanders in the primary, Clinton is revealed as relentlessly ruthless in her quest to be president.

    The only thing that went wrong is that she lost the election. And based on what we know now, her claims about Trump were false.

    Of the charges against four men brought by special counsel Robert Mueller, none involves helping Russia interfere with the election.

    And neither the FBI nor Mueller has vouched for the truthfulness of the Blumenthal and Shearer claims or the Steele dossier. Instead, the dossier faces defamation lawsuits in the US and England from several people named in it.

    Steele was hired by a Clinton contractor in June 2016, and filed his first allegations against Trump on June 20. Two weeks later, on July 5, he met with an FBI agent in London, the Washington Post reported, and filed three more allegations that month, including one about Carter Page.

    Steele and other Clinton operators provided all the allegations about Trump himself that the FBI started with and that Mueller inherited.

    For Clinton, creating a cloud over Trump’s presidency and helping to put the nation through continuing turmoil is a victory of sorts. America is fortunate it’s her only victory.
     
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    Yeah, we know who he is. Hillary actually selected a guy named Kaine for her running mate after calling the folks that didn't support her "Irredeemable" and "Deplorable" and then she promised to put them out of work. Amazingly, she lost. As for Kaine, isn't' his son one of those Antifa thugs?

    Senator Tim Kaine Condemns Antifa Violence – After His Son Was Arrested in Antifa Riot
     
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    Your disingenuous alt right disinformation source has already been exposed as having ZERO CREDIBILITY!
     
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    Your confirmation bias seems to have you fixated on discredited alt right disinformation sources.
     
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    National Review:
     
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    Heavy ****!
     
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    This "load of nonsense", as HerWeGoAgain calls it, is quite accurate yet succinct. In this area you could have added that Clinton and the DNC paid for the Steele dossier.
     
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    You heard about Susan Rice's peculiar email "memo to file" on Inauguration Day?
    If these folks actually believed the Blumenthal and Shearer substantiated dossier Hillary hired Steele to deliver to the FBI, was a true and accurate reflection of facts, one can appreciate their concerns, after all Trump could be a Russian agent, working for Putin, it would be very dangerous to tell him what the intelligence community had actually found out about this. What do you think, is it possible Comey, Yates, Rice, Biden and Obama had no idea of the role Hillary played in all this?

    If Obama and his crew knew about Hillary's role in the dossier's drafting, their decision to conceal the intelligence gathered on this from President Trump actually would be treason.
     
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    Did those guys attest that the Pope is Hindu?
    Though treason is a bit of a stretch. Lefties throw that out getting up in the morning, but I like to be a bit more measured.
     
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    Yes. The New York Post is well known hotbed of unauthorized disclosure!
     
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    Grassley and Graham want Steele investigated for providing “false information” to the FBI, which would be a violation of 18 U.S.C. §1001 -- the same statute that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn was charged under. But they also want DOJ and the FBI to investigate whether the representations the FBI made to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to obtain a warrant that started the surveillance of the Trump transition team “were in error.”

    That is a polite way of saying that the FBI may have misled the court -- a very serious charge.
     
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    Grassley and nunes are pulling this out of their nether regions as an act of DESPERATION to save your beloved BLOTUS.

    The FBI just exposed your BLOTUS's regime for LYING about them regarding Porter.

    You are beating a dead horse and the smart move is to drop it and move on to something productive instead.
     
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    No, Steele is a liar, recommended for criminal prosecution, interestingly, on the same charge Flynn pled to.

    New developments in Flynn's case raise questions about the circumstances under which he pled guilty to lying to the FBI. General Flynn, who had fleetingly served as President Trump’s first national-security adviser, pled guilty in the Mueller investigation to a charge of lying to FBI investigators. Strzok had conducted the interview with Flynn.

    Strzok did not decide on his own to interview Flynn. We know the matter was being monitored at the highest level of the Justice Department, by then–acting attorney general Sally Yates and then–FBI director James Comey. Strzok and a colleague were assigned to interview Flynn. More importantly, Strzok apparently reported that he believed Flynn had been truthful. Shortly after the interview occurred, it was reported that the FBI had decided no action would be taken against Flynn. On March 2, Comey testified to a closed session of the House Intelligence Committee that, while Flynn may have had some honest failures of recollection during the interview, the agents who questioned him concluded that he did not lie. Far from setting Flynn up, it seems that Strzok would exculpate him. Flynn was prosecuted not because Strzok is an anti-Trump zealot, but apparently because Strzok’s finding that Flynn was truthful was negated by Mueller’s very aggressive prosecutors. Did they decide they knew better than the experienced investigators who were in the room observing Flynn’s demeanor as he answered their questions? Of course, the point is moot now because Flynn has admitted his guilt.

    I wonder whether Mueller’s team informed Flynn and his counsel, prior to Flynn’s guilty plea to lying to the FBI, that the interviewing agents believed he had not lied to the FBI. I wonder what Mueller’s team told Flynn before the guilty plea.

    Flynn was a Trump transition official and incoming national-security adviser, there was nothing at all inappropriate about his discussing Obama-imposed sanctions against Russia with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Nevertheless, then–acting attorney general and Obama partisan Sally Yates seriously considered prosecuting Flynn under the absurd, never-invoked Logan Act. This misconception that Flynn had done something wrong led Yates and Comey to have Flynn interviewed as if he were a criminal suspect. Apparently unconcerned, Flynn agreed to be interviewed without counsel. Strzok came away from the session believing that Flynn had told the truth. Comey, “told lawmakers that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn did not believe that Flynn had lied to them, or that any inaccuracies in his answers were intentional.” Yet, ten months later, with Yates, Comey, and Strzok now out of the picture, Mueller decided to charge Flynn with lying to the FBI anyway. And Flynn decided to plead guilty — because he lacked the resources to sustain the legal fight . There are a few other oddities about the case.

    Flynn pled out to a mere process crime, giving Mueller a scalp but not much else. The judge who accepted Flynn’s guilty plea was Rudolph Contreras. Mysteriously, just days after taking Flynn’s plea, Judge Contreras recused himself from the case. The press has been remarkably uncurious about this development. No rationale for the recusal has been offered, no explanation for why, if Judge Contreras had some sort of conflict, the recusal came after the guilty plea, not before. We can note that Contreras is one of the eleven federal district judges assigned to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. We do not know if Judge Contreras signed one or more of the FISA warrants the Justice Department sought for Trump campaign figures Carter Page and Paul Manafort (or even if signing a FISA warrant would constitute grounds for a conflict in Flynn’s case). We can note, however, that Contreras is one of just three FISA court judges who sits in the District of Columbia, where it is likely the Trump-Russia FISA warrants were sought. When Judge Contreras pulled out, Flynn’s case was reassigned to Judge Emmet G. Sullivan.

    One of Judge Sullivan’s first actions on the case was to file an order directing Mueller to provide Flynn with any evidence in the special counsel’s possession that is favorable to Flynn, whether on the issue of guilt or of sentencing. Significantly, the order stresses that if Mueller has such evidence but believes it is not “material” and therefore that Flynn is not entitled to disclosure of it, Mueller must show the evidence to the court so that Judge Sullivan may decide whether to mandate its disclosure.

    Judge Sullivan’s order on exculpatory information is noteworthy as Flynn had already pled guilty, and in the course of doing so had agreed to Mueller’s demand that he waive “the right to any further discovery or disclosures of information not already provided” — in addition to forfeiting many other trial and appellate rights. (See plea agreement, pages 6–7.) It certainly appears that Sullivan’s order supersedes the plea agreement and imposes on the special counsel the obligation to reveal any and all evidence suggesting that Flynn is innocent of the charge to which he has admitted guilt. Could this provide General Flynn with factual grounds of which he was previously unaware to seek to have his plea vacated? Would he have a viable legal basis to undo the plea agreement that he and his lawyer signed on November 30? We do not know at this point. All we can say is that Flynn’s sentencing has just been postponed until May.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...raised-about-fbi-robert-mueller-investigation
     
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    Yet more disingenuous alt right disinformation babblings from a source that lacks credibility.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-review/

     
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    If you shut your eyes and plug your ears and believe hard enough, you can change reality, Hillary did win in a landslide, flipping the Senate with her coat tails and, even now, she is filling the Judiciary with lifetime appointments.

    The Flynn Information
    He pleads guilty to a charge the FBI once said it wouldn’t prosecute.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-flynn-information-1512172863
     
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    Ironic!
     
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    ...... ans click your heels three times.
     
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    Shifty SCHIFF TRASHES LAW ENFORCEMENT

    According to the Democrats and their media friends, one is not to criticize the bad illegal actions of anyone in the FBI or other such agencies. If you do, you’re trashing law enforcement. Retroactive application of this rule to the depredations of President Obama and the Obama administration is prohibited. Mollie Hemingway collected a few exhibits of the current media campaign attacking Republicans on this ground in this Federalist column.

    Now the shifty Adam Schiff has gone to war on law enforcement in the formerly disapproved fashion. It is not reported this way in Kyle Cheney’s Politico article “Schiff complains FBI, Justice Department making too many demands on Russia memo,” but there it is. Schiff of course also attributes fault to President Trump, at whose behest the FBI and Department of Justice are said to be acting. It’s a twofer! For some reason, Schiff’s shocking disparagement of law enforcement goes unmentioned.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/schiff-trashes-law-enforcement.php
     
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