The Religion of Atheism

Sure....its the same thing.

 

Absolutely.

 

Do athiests attempt to use government and the law to impose their principles on other people?

 

Careful now....they can call anything they don't agree with Atheist, Acceptance of Gays, Blacks, weird folks...ATHEIST!

 

Well I don't know. Seems to me god has changed his mind about gays and blacks and weird folks since the bible was written. Or maybe not. Does seem like a lot of them good old religious folks do need a reason to hate someone to ferl better about themselves.

 

yeh they use it to violate others religion!

Then they call their flavor of insanity reason, with the pretense that anything that can they can hang the label 'reason' on is A-Ok Jim Dandy and should be accepted as an ideal religion bar none, just ask the benevolent altruistic atheist top shelf prime example everyone hero, stalin, who reasonably murdered millions, with good reason of course. Great guy, glad I didnt know him.

Atheists at the helm!

justice is served Dec. 29, 2017
Oregon Bakery Must Pay $135,000 for Refusing to Make Wedding Cake for Gay Couple
By Clint Rainey

Sweet Cakes, back in its still-open days.

Oregon’s appeals court has written what could be the final chapter in the Sweet Cakes by Melissa anti-gay bakery saga. As a quick refresher, the drama’s been more or less continuous since 2013, when owners Melissa and Aaron Klein refused to make a wedding cake for Rachel and Laurel Bowman-Cryer because the couple was lesbian and they’re Christian. The Bowman-Cryers filed a complaint, arguing that the Kleins broke a state law against discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. Oregon Labor Commissioner Brad Avakian agreed, and in 2015 ordered the Kleins to pay $135,000 in damages.

Yeh bubba, thats what Im talkin bout, atheist sense of fair play!

and those looney Christains should be happy at least they were not drawn and quartered! That'll teach em to mess with the religious atheist fanatics.

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I'm agnostic and they damn sure arent fighting for my rights.

A 'reasonable' person (or gubmint) would say take yo asses next doe to buy yo ****in cake.

I never said that JC seen himself in any way, I said it was Christianity from the moment JC started preaching his flavor of religion. How JC seen himself is completely irrelevant and a strawman to the point I made.

Another red herring.

yet another redd herring.
Nice trivia and your personal opinions but you have completely diverged from the core argument.

 

That is just athiests trying to make religious bigots better people.

 

You meant forcing atheist bigotry on christians minding their own bees wax.
Thats the atheist way, force, thou shalt love and serve the atheist or be fined imprisoned or shot, stalin proved quite thouroughly how atheists attract people, at the end of a barrel of a gun, just like the kliens.

 

How is being a bigot towards religious people making them better? And are you equally willing to put a Muslim bakery out of business for refusing to cater a homosexual wedding?

 

It's not irrelevant at all. Jesus's view on whether or not he was starting a new religion absolutely has a bearing on whether or not it was a religion in his day. The Romans also had an opinion, and that was that the Jesus cult as they called it was dangerous to society, unlike Judaism, which was tolerated until 70 AD when it, too, was suppressed and the second temple destroyed. But the Romans recognized Judaism as a local religion, not a cult. And we were talking about the definition of religion, so the things that I mentioned were not red herrings but went to illustrate my point about what I define as religion. Going back to the hippo god, go ahead and worship your hippo god, but don't expect me to call it a religion until you a) have more than a hundred followers, and b) are dead. David Koresh is a good example of the latter principle. He had something like 200+ followers, but with his death (and the deaths of many of the principle members), the cult died, too. So it never became a religion.

 

Fighting discrimination is NOT discrimination and this silly Christian persecution complex has gone too far. And yes....if Muslims did it they are breaking laws as well.

 

I would be scared to actually eat the cake they are forced to make.

 

I would not be comfortable eating ANY cake they made. This brings up a good point, business economics and capitalism should take care of this by itself....just don't go there and spend your money.

I personally avoid any overtly religious business automatically....I wont eat at Chik fila or go to Hobby Lobby under any circumstance....this is not Bigotry.

 

That is patently ridiculous, being religious is not dependent on someone intending to create a religion. I cant believe I am forced to quoting definitions, I thought you were above that level of debate?

re·li·gious
1.
relating to or believing in a religion.
"both men were deeply religious, intelligent, and moralistic"
synonyms: devout, pious, reverent, godly, God-fearing, churchgoing, faithful, devoted, committed

wiki actually has a pretty good explanation for the core elements of religion.

Religion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As I have pointed out on numerous occasions, where the philosophy presently stands with regard to religion:

Religion may be defined as a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements. However, there is no scholarly consensus over what precisely constitutes a religion.[1][2]

Disagreement on one specific or another does not negate the whole which in fact is testament to this definition of religion, its bang on target.

The reason why is everyone wants their personal flavor and no other, and it does not work that way.

Different religions may or may not contain various elements ranging from the divine[3], sacred things[4], faith,[5] a supernatural being or supernatural beings[6] or "some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life".[7]

Religious practices may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of deities), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture.

Religions have sacred histories and narratives, which may be preserved in sacred scriptures, and symbols and holy places, that aim mostly to give a meaning to life. Religions may contain symbolic stories, which are sometimes said by followers to be true, that have the side purpose of explaining the origin of life, the universe, and other things. Traditionally, faith, in addition to reason, has been considered a source of religious beliefs.[8]

There are an estimated 10,000 distinct religions worldwide,[9] but about 84% of the world's population is affiliated with one of the five largest religion groups, namely Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or forms of folk religion.[10]

Belief systems that are unique and practice different behavior, hence different culture.

The religiously unaffiliated demographic includes those who do not identify with any particular religion, atheists and agnostics. While the religiously unaffiliated have grown globally, many of the religiously unaffiliated still have various religious beliefs.[11]

Being totally unique in beliefs and failing to identify with a group does not dismiss the fact atheists and agnostics are religious in their own right.

As an agnostic I do not hesitate to state I have my own religion, and do not identify with any club or mob, but I have a religion nonetheless.

The study of religion encompasses a wide variety of academic disciplines, including theology, comparative religion and social scientific studies. Theories of religion offer various explanations for the origins and workings of religion, including the ontological foundations of religious being and belief.[12]

The only way anyone can claim no religion is to hand wave away the bulk of the disciplines required to realize the fact.

Gubmint recognition is a function of not getting thrown out of office by a coup, what you are really saying is that you do not recognize anything as a religion until they are powerful enough to overtake the standing gubmint.

They are red herrings since as you can see you mentioned several ungrounded opinions and nothing what so ever compared to the elements
put out by scholars on the subject as show in the wiki citation.

Puhlease! Keep it real!
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You have a statist approach to religion that is not remotely in the same universe as how religions really develop.

Stalin tried to eradicate the theist religions and failed miserably.

 

179 pages now and atheism remains, by definition, not a religion.

 

Every Atheist knows this, most Christians know this....apparently two people on Earth do not.

 

Some religious folks might feel that way, I don’t really agree. Atheists aren’t a very organized movement, most are agnostic like myself, but there are some that try to pin the evils of humanity on religion, I disagree with those types.

 

Anything that helps end the need religious people seem to have to find someone to discriminate against will make them better human beings.

 

Nope sorry. Nothing athiests have ever done has attempted to stop the religious from leading their own personal lives according to their religious beliefs. When they engage in commerce or interact with the public they accept the common law.

 

It’d be more along the lines of:

“These people believe in a dangerous, backwards philosophy. We must do something about the the threat they pose to our society.”

 

That's simply false. Atheists are indeed forcing religious people to violate the tenets of their faith by making them cater to people who are living sinful lives according to their religion. Religious people engaging in commerce do not simply leave their religious views behind at the church. That would make them hypocrites, which apparently is a cardinal sin in the view of atheists. Forcing people to either bend to the will of the reigning state religion, secular humanism, or go out of business absolutely is discrimination. Discriminating against one group in favor of another group doesn't make it any less discriminatory. Just because you don't like the color of their religion makes you as much of a bigot as someone who doesn't like the color of your skin. To put it even more bluntly, your choice of sexual perversion does not grant you equal rights to the 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion, much less superior rights.

 

If a Christian does not wish to deal with the public according to public/societal law...they are completely free to avoid it by not dealing with the public with a business, which is REQUIRED to follow our laws not Gods.

 

Thats delusional since there is nothing in any definition of atheism in any dictionary that says atheism is not a religion.

People like ot believe lots of things, hard core dissonant fundamentalist atheists belief that as part of their religious beliefs.

However organization has exactly zero to do with religion.

Yes the proud atheist stalin was despicable murdering all those theists.

Such claims are a bit sociopathic after great atheist stalin.

you arent from the US where religion and the exercize thereof is an inviolate 'reserved' right.

In fact you you arent from any colony since since in british and american common law the rights of the people take precedent 'over' and the common law is built around those rights not the other way around. Apparently you have no idea what commn law is.

No its more along long the lines of we atheists (or some other religion) are in power and want to stay that way.

 

That is a stellar response perfectly centered on the bullseye!

 

Well we agree to disagree. I believe that an individual has the right to have his own believes and to behave in any way he chooses as long as it doesn't discriminate against other people. You beleve that religious belefs allow you to hurt or damage other people.

The same religious beliefs that used to justify segregation are now being used to justify sexual discrimination but of course only some of the things condemned by religion seem to merit that discrimination.