The plan was to steal tools. Then customers drew their guns

No, like you I just make it up as I go.

Police: Man tells robbers he has no money, still shot in New Orleans East
https://www.wdsu.com/article/police...-money-still-shot-in-new-orleans-east/3380930

UNIVERSITY PARK (CBSDFW.COM) – A 40-year-old man is recovering from gunshot wounds after he was robbed just after midnight.https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2018/12/05/police-seek-men-who-shot-robbed-victim-in-university-park/

The victim, a 21-year-old Lowell man, was walking down North Street at 12:38 a.m. Tuesday when he was approached by a man with a handgun, police said. The robber demanded that the victim hand over his cellphone and money.
Police said the robber shot the victim in both legs and took what he wanted.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/victim-shot-in-both-legs-robbed-of-money-and-phone/22036599

RIDGELAND, MISS. (AP) — Police in Mississippi say a would-be robber opened fire when his intended victims said they had no money.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...ctim-shot-multiple-times-in-attempted-robbery

This is old but---
-according to the National Crime Survey (NCS). Two-thirds of the victims of these robberies had property stolen, and. a third were injured; nearly a fourth suffered both injury and property loss.

I could cut and paste similar stories all day.

 

Ain't that the truth.

The major problem here is what you've already pointed out in your first sentence. People watch too many Joan Wanye films and have no personal experience in the real world.

But taking it one step further there is one more problem. The U.S. is a nation two extreme restriction of social philosophy ..... and nothing in between:
* democrat or republican
* black or white
* extreme right or extreme left
* HERO or COWARD

In other words, you're screwed. All of these gun nuts think they are heroes waiting to be discovered because if they are not heroes then they think of themselves as cowards - and that is why they brag about what would do if but when it really happens their BVD's will get exceptionally warm & moist.

 

Are you residing on Fantasy Island?

 

Benton Harbor, Mich. -- An armed robbery, turned shooting took an interesting turn Wednesday when the victim pulled his own weapon on the perpetrators.
“The victim was struck with one bullet, caliber size…we don't know; it entered his cheek and is still within him,” said Bailey.

That's when the victim turned the tables on his perpetrators.

“In the process of being robbed, the victim had withdrawn his own weapon and fired, in return striking one subject in the face area,” said Bailey.

The other suspect fled the scene, later to be found and arrested by police.
https://www.wndu.com/content/news/V...during-attempted-armed-robbery-389157972.html

Armed robbers go after gun store, get shot by owners


Robbery suspect shot dead by victim
http://www.thisweeknews.com/news/20181203/reports-robbery-suspect-shot-dead-by-victim

No charges for armed robbery victim who shot alleged attacker
http://www.timesonline.com/news/201...rmed-robbery-victim-who-shot-alleged-attacker

I can post stories like these all day.

 

I'm under no obligation to not defend myself just because the guy claims he's only after my money. He's a thief: thieves aren't known to be trustworthy.

 

You're the one who needs to back up a couple of posts and see that you'll get shot whether you give them money or are broke.

This chart shows that between 5 and 8 percent of shooting incidents in any given year since 2011 have been due to robbery, only 2.5 to 5 percent of armed robberies end in a shooting, and between 5 and 10 percent of homicide victims are killed as the result of a robbery.

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orl...cle_1b2aeb66-0ce7-574b-91e2-1cfe8cbccbbf.html

 

Doesn’t make me special. Only meant to illustrate that I understand the value of firearms. I’m not afraid of firearms. I just understand the practicality, or lack there of, in active resistance against armed robbery.

 

You have instances of events that back up your side. I will agree to that. But the stats favor my side.

https://scholarship.law.berkeley.ed...rg/&httpsredir=1&article=1204&context=facpubs

"One thing is clear: if life is dear, resistance to robbery with lethal weapons rarely makes sense. Unlike rape, the cost to the victim of compliance with the criminal demand is usually not momentous. In all but the most extraordinary circumstances, resistance to robbery demands under the threat of deadly weapons is unwise,"

 

Then don't buy one. See how easy that is?

Another frightening difference in the crime picture is that life now seems pitifully cheap. Law-enforcement officials think they have witnessed a shift toward gratuitous slaughter. "It used to be 'Your money or your life,' " says assistant Bronx district attorney William Flack. "Now it's 'Your money and your life.'

https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6480&context=jclc

 

Generally, no. Best advice I've seen on the topic is to carry around a "dummy" wallet, throw it at their feet, and when they go for it, then take them out.

 

No, it was a crime committed in the act of another crime. It wouldn't be justified.

I don't know of any vigilantes in the story.

They surrounded the car in the act of fleeing a crime scene.

 

Other than the fact that the law in the united states does not allow someone engaged in the commission of a criminal act to claim they were acting in self defense.

 

it doesn't matter if they're still in the commission of another crime. You are not justified in using forced to flee from a crime scene.

are you am not aware of anyone trying to take the law into their own hands during this incident.

no idea why you brought up citizen's arrest. Who was performing a citizen's arrest?

Still have no idea why you're talkin about citizen's arrest. Nobody performed a citizen's arrest.

 

So you're suggesting the right to self defense not only does not, but should not exist?

 

By your actions, you don't just suspect that, you're literally betting the remainder of your life on it. Statistically, you're probably right. But the same could be said of every single person gunned down in a robbery in history. But once it's done, it's too late.

 

That's what you've got wrong about us. Sure, there may be a handful of Rambo wannabes just looking for the smallest of an excuse, but the overwhelming majority of us are the exact opposite. I have ZERO desire to kill anyone, even if by doing so I am so completely justified that I don't even need a lawyer to result in no detention, arrest, or charges. In fact, I have my own personal rule that unless bullets are already flying, I'm gonna give the bad guy a second two to turn around and beat feet before pulling the trigger, and that even includes a home invasion where the laws here make them fair game the moment they enter the property.

I don't want that on my conscious for the rest of my life. But I'm willing to take on that burden to save me and mine, and even random strangers. It's just who I am. I signed a blank check over to the US Government for up to and including my very life itself to defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Violent criminals constitute domestic enemies, and they didn't give me that check back when I turned in my uniform.

 

Funny you mention that, as it's between 100% and 300% of ALL people killed by so called "assault weapons" that the antis are so freaked out about.

 

Pure, blind luck. Congrats. Best hope if you find yourself in a similar situation your fairy godmother shows up again.

OTOH, I don't care if you carry or not. That's your choice. I only object when you attempt to force your choices onto me.

 

Intelligent people would prefer not to be in a gun fight.

 

That is really weak. I cheated on my taxes one year and when I was a boy I stole chocolate a number of times. When my wife asked me if that girl on FaceBook ever meant anything to me I said "no" when in actual fact I had a relationship with her years ago. So I guess I can't be trusted and if I ever ask to borrow a cup of sugar from you (or your girlfriend) you will be compelled to pull a gun on me.

 

I am 71 years old and I am a war veteran. Excluding my 3 years of armed, Military service I have also had guns pointed at me (as a civilian) 5 or 6 times. I have also been the victim of attempted robbery twice where I punched the b'stard with my fist. Now I will bet you that on the average there is a very low percentage of civilians who have had as much experience on the matter as I have. I am not bragging or claiming there are not many who have had far more experience than I, but ..... I'm still standing and I have never carried a gun a single day of my civilian life.