Here's what Trump have to say to Americans who are afraid

The government is doing what is necessary, and people are doing it too. You think the government is forcing this on people who don't want it, or don't know what's happening to them, but people don't need it forced on them. I think that most people think it's a good idea, they just worry about how to pay the bills because that's as real of a concern as getting sick is. And the ones that don't will very quickly begin to if or when there are lots of people around them starting to get sick.

And lets face it. You're going quite deep into the worst case scenario barrel. I mean scraping bottom, so far down you don't even see light anymore. Your judgment is flawed and based on an assigned intent that you're inventing out of thin air to fuel a prediction made of nothing but paranoia and dystopian future storylines.

I think perhaps you need to turn off the news.

 

What I've suggested is that those who are sick and the elderly are the ones who should be quarantined. The rest of us humans shouldn't have had our rights violated. Now we're treated one in the same as we await our next "orders"

Fun time to be alive though(I'm being sarcastic.)

 

The last thing I'm going to do is turn off the news at this juncture. Again: A week ago or two weeks ago, would you have ever predicted this loss of civil liberty? Under the guise that the government/people are doing what is "necessary"? How do we know what's necessary and what's not? Oh wait, what's that? We don't? They openly admit they don't know? Well, full blast ahead anyway!

So yes, I will keep myself abreast of the current situation because as they've utterly shown us(with their disdain), they have very little care of what the Framers worked so hard to build and create for us to enjoy in prosperity.

 

Virtually everyone knows that the MSM = Fake News including those who pretend they don't know the truth about the MSM.

“There is no incongruity in the fact that a new poll conducted by the Media Insight Project, a joint project of the American Press Institute and the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research, finds the American media’s popularity way down with that of Washington politicians. With 2,014 adults surveyed, only 6% expressed “a lot of confidence” in the press.”

“The Media Insight poll found that close to 90% of Americans consider it extremely important or very important that journalists get their facts right. As in RatherGate and so many other cases, the media not only gets the facts wrong but also uses them as political weapons.”
INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY, Only 6% Trust the Media, But It Should Be Less, Editorial, 4/19/16.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/only-6-trust-media-but-it-should-be-less/.

I doubt there are any real six percenters on this forum - certainly not you.

 

Yes, I could easily predict it's eventual necessity. That's how you stop a contagion.

Lacking even what would have passed as just okay medical care IN EVEN 1918 during the Spanish Flu as the Framers did, they would have been woefully unprepared to deal with a situation like this. But they had one advantage. Population density was much lower back then, and social distancing was practically built into society unless you lived in a city.

You've seen how quickly these viruses spread ACROSS THE GLOBE. Extreme distancing is the only real tool there is right now. So really, what you're saying is, we shouldn't resist COVID-19. Our freedoms are too important so we should infect ourselves for god and country since if we stay in our homes while it's necessary right now we are tacitly selling our freedom for all eternity and we'll never get it back.

Do you honestly think any of this will be allowed to continue happening once it's done? Right now it couldn't happen unless the majority of us agreed with it. And we agree with it because we see it's necessity. When that necessity passes, we will no longer see it and we would no longer comply with the requirements we need to be under right now.

You think it's some kind of subterfuge. It's not. It's just people agreeing with what is necessary and not resisting it.

 

How often have you heard the CDC during these press conferences tell you that they don't know. The US Surgeon General even admitted that "15 days" won't be enough. The paper that was termed on this theory even said that the minute the restrictions loosen up, you're just going to get right back to where you started.

Our freedoms are too important, because for every person who is sick, about 2/4 or more of us are NOT sick. Our restrictions on our freedoms are not justified in anyway at all. And no, I don't believe this government will willingly give them back. Or that we will at some point say: "The Republic is worth defending."

And even if we do say that after the fact, government with its amazing power could easily say "no".

"Freedom once lost, is lost forever." We could have had limited quarantines based on what we knew and still kept our system and our freedom alive. Now we live under Soviet. Let us pray that you are right and we can restore the Republic.

 

Yes - anyone who is following what is happening in Europe, and the steps that were taken in Italy a couple of weeks ago, would have realised it was just a matter of time before it happens in USA.

Another alternative is for governments to issue guidance, but not mandatory orders - but then if citizens don't follow the guidance, health insurance companies can consider policy holders grossly negligent and not cover them.

 

Trump is a poor victim of the media.

Fox News should have exclusive access to the president.

That way, Trump would think everything's still fine in his country where the economy is collapsing because of an epidemic he underestimated.

 

That's a far better alternative, as that respects our right to choose and our right to engage in commerce and freedom and all the things that make a living society possible.

It'd also be better for the political optics if you didn't have Pence as the "head of the task force"(aka: the new "President") and these directives out of CDC/WHO.

Each and every day confirms to me that we have a government in absentee. That's why these destructive financial decisions. They don't have the economic and political knowledge necessary to make decisions.

 

The epidemic is real, the response to it and the hype about it has been destructive.

 

All over the world (France, Italy, Spain, Canada, etc.) citizens are rallying behind their heads of state to form a common front against the virus.

Everywhere? No, not everywhere. Not in the US.

In three years, Trump has never broken the 44% approval mark.

But a collective illumination is still possible by November.

Keep praying.

 

This isn't about the President's approval rating. This is about hysteria, which has led to an economic collapse and has now led to massive human rights restrictions.

 

I think the majority of folks know, even if unspoken, that it's going to take longer than 15 days.

And that's where you are incredibly wrong. The government is not a giant separate entity. It is made up of people, almost ALL of whom are in roughly the same boat as everyone else. They are stuck at home, worried about their families, friends, and financial situation. When you say "the government", who do you think you're talking about? What allows that government to function and exist? We don't live in a dictatorship. We never have. If the government were to say no, the people would say **** you. That includes people in the government as well.

The only reason that the majority of us aren't right now, as we would be if the government just up and did this without COVID-19, is because of COVID-19.

No it's not, that's just a quote, and that's all it is. It has no power over or basis in reality. Just like if I were to say "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" doesn't actually make that true. There are plenty of things to fear. Infecting your loved ones and neighbors who may be susceptible to serious damage or death from COVID-19 for example.

Limited quarantines don't work. You need to, as Trump would put it, "go big". At least in the beginning while our hospitals and medical services try to fix the problem of being under-equipped.

Do you want to know what happens during a massive infection when your medical system is under-equipped and the risk wasn't taken seriously until it was too late?

Look at Italy.

 

Similarly, we can look at China who was at 80K cases, and has mostly flatlined. I know that I said I have incredible skepticism about the Chinese numbers, but let's assume for now that those numbers are accurate.

Do you think intentional suppression will help us get to that 80K, or will it take longer to get there? We would be slowly infected, instead of quickly infected, with an entrapped populace. So even if I wasn't concerned about these civil liberty violations, the logistics of it was/is hell.

I'd rather quickly get to the 80 K, have it flat line. Rather than the death by a thousand cuts. But for me, it's no longer about which medical approach to best get the virus tamed. It's now about rights that we really did take for granted.

 

Assuming the numbers are correct, the Chinese achieved them by being even more totalitarian than anything close to what is happening here. Are you sure you want to use their model, as it conflicts with what you've stated is most important?

Okay then. We will do total country wide lockdowns, enforced the way the Chinese would on their people.

Are you sure this is what you want?

 

More than one way to reach the goal. The 80K once peaked(obviously) to get there. Even now, none of the countries have approached that number. I'm actually saying the opposite: It's good for us to contract the virus. Many of us will win, some will sadly lose and overall our ecosystem will be stronger for it as we reach the peak and the scope slides down from there.

 

It's too late for that. We already waited too long. It's in every state now.

Why don't you run with that idea.

I can see the campaign soundbyte now

SATIRE:
"Many of us will win. Some will sadly lose. We must protect against hypothetical dystopian futures by sacrificing real lives right now!" Who's with me".

The idea is not to peak until your systems are better prepped to handle it. Italy is showing us what happens if you don't. It is tragic what is happening there. I don't want that here, and neither do most people.

 

I watched the whole press conference. That reporter had it coming. He is using his journalist credentials to play "gotcha" in the president's press conference on a very important issue. The reporter isnt being a journalist, he us being a partisan hack over and over for his partisan bosses.

Sometimes, you need to tell extremists like that to sit down and the **** up. Kind of like here.

The OP post with a heavily edited video is a perfect example.

 

Are you going to carry out a self experiment on this or are you just going to expect others to to it

 

And yet Pence answered so well

 

What "dystopian" future? This isn't some sci-fi fictional state of affairs. This is what we're experiencing in 2020. And as far as sacrificing real lives right now? People are presently dying today(and tommorow, and the next day.). We're not flattening curves, we're not saving lives. At best, we're trying to delay the inevitable.

 

Poor Trump, he has to deal with a meanie reporter. No other president ever has had to deal with meanie reporters.

But then Mike Pence, clearly the adult, steps up to the mic and deals with it just fine.

 

Your dystopian future, the one you were describing earlier when you were saying we're the Soviet Union now and the government is going to keep all the power and all our freedoms are gone forever.

 

Pence isn't under continual assualt.

I have never seen a more partisan group than present day liberals. EVERYTHING is turned partisan, every circumstance, situation, statement, is used as a means to the desired ends of opposing Trump.

It's radicalism at it's worse.

From one American to another, **** those that keep doing this. **** them.

 

We're certainly moving there. Where even a judge was like "wait a minute". We can look at future developments and see if the government still respects civil liberties or not. If they do, I will applaud them. If not, I can bemoan that we meekly accepted our state of affairs.