WHO supports China opening up Wet markets

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  1. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

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    Again, that depends on where you come from. Some cultures treat dogs with suspicion and even fear. Other cultures treat them as filthy animals and wouldn't dream of having them as pets.
    You won't find many Arabs, for example, with dogs in their houses.
    In some parts of Asia they are treated as food. That is very upsetting to us in the west but as a thought experiment put yourself in the shoes of a Hindu and think about how they feel about beef.
    Would you change your diet to appease their sensibilities?
    If not why should the Chinese change theirs for you?
     
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    you do know US paying WHO the most right
     
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    1. The WHO doesn't actually have the power to force a country to do anything.

    2. They're urging the wet markets be regulated to prevent another disease from jumping to humans. There are plenty of food related things we do in this country that could cause the spread of disease if they weren't regulated by the USDA.
     
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    Mostly but not exclusively having to do with chickens and pigs
     
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    Love it!

    Trump wants to cut off WHO funding!

    I bet those socialist/communist bureaucrats are wetting their pants.
     
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    Yea...cut funding to the World Health Organization...that ought to prepare us for the next pandemic...right?
     
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    Transparent deflection from criticism of Trump's handling of the pandemic.
    Still waiting to hear what he did with the time bought by stopping flights from China. What did he do in February?
     
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    ask india about our treatment of cows...
     
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    subjective bs
     
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    news flash, majority of foods come from other countries... most with no oversight from our fda as to how they raise/grow it...
     
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    If they are going to just parrot Lying China's lies, why should we cover 15% of their budget when China only covers 0.2% of it? You want us to just be the pigeon that Lying China plucks? Lying China with these bio-labs that study coronaviruses and these filthy dirty wet markets? Take a hike.

    “Today I’m instructing my administration to halt funding of the WHO while a review is conducted to assess the WHO’s role in severely mismanaging and covering up the spread of the coronavirus,” Trump said at a White House press briefing. “The WHO failed in this basic duty and must be held accountable.”

    “The silence of the WHO on the disappearance of scientific researchers and doctors, and new restrictions on the sharing of research into the origins of COVID-19 in the country of origin is deeply concerning. Especially when we put up by far the largest amount of money,” Trump said. Over the weekend China mandated that research papers on the origin of the coronavirus must be approved by the state before publication.

    “The WHO’s attack on travel restrictions put political correctness above life-saving measures,” Trump said.

    Taiwan in March accused the WHO of failing to publish early warnings from Taiwanese medical officials that the coronavirus could be spread via human-to-human transmission. China does not permit the WHO to accept Taiwan as a member state.

    It's also time for the civilized world to recognize Taiwan's right to take their full seat with the community of nations.
     
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    Looks like we won't be.

    Trump Wisely Cuts Off WHO funding.

    LOL, HELL NO! Chinese Consulate Asked Wisconsin State Senate to Praise CCP for ‘Sharing Key Information’ about Coronavirus, Emails Show.

    Where “it never hurts to ask” collides with “desperation is a bad look.”

    Talk about desperation, the sudden influx of pro-China accounts on Twitter is impossible to miss. It’s probably similar on other social networks. If you didn’t think they were desperate before you couldn’t help but think so now.

    You want to out a BOT in a social media discussion? As them, just for fun, to say that "Xi looks like Winnie The Pooh". They'll NEVER do it, and that's when you know that you're dealing with a CCP plant.
     
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    Sen. Graham has already said the Senate will not fund them under the current leadership.
     
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    Absolutely, tell them we'll reconsider if they get new, nonpartisan leadership and admit Taiwan as a member state.
     
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    Objective truth.
     
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    When has a cow ever been an Indian's best friend?
     
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    This is not about forcing them to stop eating dogs. It is about not trusting the judgement of people who eat live animals known to be responsible for starting pandemics. People should never trust or do business with people who eat "mans' best friend". People who eat people are probably slightly more trustworthy.
     
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    How is that supposed to relate to my post?
     
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    IOW, imported food is probably a bit safer.
     
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    Putting aside anyones predisposed support or hatred for all things Trump, you need to look at objective measures to assess the effectiveness of his overall response. Undeniably, the one true objective measure would be deaths per capita among all western industrialized nations. On that measure, we are doing quite well. Things can still change on that front, but at this juncture and with current projections, we undeniably have one of the lowest deaths per capita numbers of all western industrialized nations.

    You are wanting to know what he did with the time bought by his quick response to restrict travel from China?

    .... Well, it is important to note that for almost all of February, the entire world was working off of faulty data that came out of China. If the China data that was being reported was indeed accurate, we would have none of the problems associated with the over running of healthcare systems, PPE resources, ventilators etc. If the world had known that, surely a lot more of that type of activity would have been occurring in February, but since China lied, the world was literally caught flat footed.

    So to answer the question that you are repeating from that reporter during the briefing.....What the extra time provided by his bold early travel restrictions bought us was time to observe the true impact of the virus. We were easily 3 or 4 weeks behind the virus spiking in Italy and throughout most of Europe, and that extra time enabled us extremely valuable time to shut down our country and take those extra few weeks to work on building up supplies and hospital capacity etc. before the apex hit our country.

    You do not need to take my explanation as gospel, but you do need to take the objective measure of deaths per capita as the true objective measure of our country's effectiveness in regards to response to this virus. By this measure, we are many magnitudes better off than almost the whole of Europe.
     
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    hung up on fda vs usda are ya? welp, neither have any say in how other countries grow/raise their food products, ergo your point #2 is moot & irrelevant considering most of the food products sold in the usa are from other countries...
     
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    Deaths per 1/m population figures rise each day you have a new death. Those numbers for the US are rising faster than many in Europe and, by next week, the US numbers will likely be similar to those in even some of the worst hit countries in Europe. This, despite the fact that the US is comparatively favored by having a much lower population density overall compared to most European countries.

    Besides all that, I am not sure why the comparison be limited to western European countries, which are the worst hit countries around the globe? Canada arguably makes for a more appropriate comparison for the US and you can compare 'death per 1/million' figures for the two. You could also do that in comparison to countries in East Asia, but I admit for whatever reason, the numbers in East Asia (across the board) are a lot better than anywhere else hit by the virus and there might be something that distinguishes them that we still don't know.
     
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    - Indeed that number is rising each day, which is precisely why I said "Things can still change on that front, but at this juncture and with current projections, we undeniably have one of the lowest deaths per capita numbers of all western industrialized nations." You seem to be ignoring prjections, and using the current projections of somewhere around 60k deaths, we are still MANY magnitudes less that what you are currently seeing across Europe, not to mention that their numbers are also still rising by the day.


    -As far as your claim about population density in Europe being higher, that claim is demonstrably FALSE
    The population density in the United States is 94 people per square mile.
    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/

    The population density in Europe is 87 people per square Mile
    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/europe-population/

    Thank you for bringing up this topic, because it shows that we are performing even better than I originally thought.


    -Canada makes for a better comparison? Hmmm...well lets see...what is their population density?
    Their density is 11 Per square mile!
    https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/canada-population/

    WOW...that one speaks for itself. Canada is an AWFUL comparator based on population density alone. At any rate, even if we include Canada, that does not change my statement that "we undeniably have one of the lowest deaths per capita numbers of all western industrialized nations."

    It is literally impossible to look at these numbers and conclude that on a comparative basis we are performing poorly. Our results are far closer to the best rather than the worst.
     
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    1- The specific countries in Europe which you are comparing the US to, on a per capita basis (e.g., Italy, Spain, France, UK, Netherlands, Belgium), have much greater population density than the US. Europe, as a whole would include many countries in Eastern Europe (with much lower population density for many of them) who also have much lower deaths per capita than the US.
    2- Deaths per 1/million was the measure, with population density giving some an advantage. But that is not how you rank countries in relation to how well they are doing fighting the virus.
     
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