Questions for Biden supporters

No you don't. Obama didn't separate them.

Absolutely. Here again is the definition of torture according to our laws

This is the definition of torture in our laws.

18 U.S. Code § 2340
(1)
“torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A)
the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
...
[or]
...
(D)
the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering...​

The number of Asylum claims granted to applicants who had legal counsel was overwhelming. Which means that Asylum seekers don't know their rights. But that's not the point. This and the rest of your point is besides the point. The point is that they have every right to apply for Asylum. And using torture (as defined above) to dissuade them from applying is illegal and, most importantly immoral. Especially when those tortured are children.

It's astounding to me that there are people in this country who would vote to keep in power somebody who is willing to torture children. And it's unavoidable to notice the hypocrisy in those who claim to be "righteous and religious" folk but would support such an individual.

 

Most likely those children were suffering conditions worse than those you claim was torture when they were travelling across numerous countries before coming to our borders and trying to cross illegally. Their parents or whoever was controlling their movement willingly subjected them to those conditions before presenting our border agents with nearly impossible alternatives.

 

This is a right wing talking point that has no foundation in reality. There's zero signs that this is true.

 

Nobody here is excited about saving money on healthcare? (*shakes head, wanders off elsewhere*)

 

The Biden plan is made very specifically to help you afford your premium unlike Obamacare. The Biden plan is what Obamacare should have done to save you and I money. What exactly in Biden's plan do you see increasing premiums?

 

that happened under Republicans, Trump is a republican

 

So how is an unemployed or low-income person supposed to afford flat fee healthcare, roads, healthcare, schools, and fire department services? Sounds really really expensive for them. The average cost of a family plan is $17,000 per year, not including deductibles and out of pocket. The average cost per pupil in public school is $12,000 per student. The other stuff is expensive too.

 

Please don't insult me Golem, it is plain English.. Where are all these parents looking to claim their long lost little ones?

Your link!
This NGO is leading the search for parents separated from children at U.S-Mexico border

Where are the parents, the NGO that bad they can't find the parents, that "I assume" are petitioning the U.S. for their little love one to be returned, RIGHT

Aahh, few months old to 18, and Mommy and Daddy aren't at the U.S. consulate building demanding their Babies back.. And the 18 year old can't find their way home while American 18 year old are voting, working, living on their own, wow are these immigrant 18 year old mentally challenged?

But again no mommy or daddy looking for them, SO SAD

They don't know where their parents went, BUT THE PARENTS know where they left them I'm sure these POOR little children and 18 year old are wondering why Mommy and Daddy aren't contacting them, so HEARTBREAKING

Not difficult at all if the parents had given accurate records Why are the human rights folks going DOOR TO DOOR looking and asking people if they are missing a child LMFAO. You would think these very concern mommies and Daddies would be in contact with the human rights people.. They DO HAVE COMMUNICATION DEVICS in Mexico and south America, right?

No!!! Don't want them back? OH the humanity, good folk like that don't want their little Children back, Jesus weeps for these scummy folks

"The Department of Homeland Security, though, says that some of the parents don't want the kids back."
Nice link Golem thanks

 

I'd say your entire conclusions here are the result of a personal dislike of Trump- because they damn sure have nothing to do with reality.
If anything, he has caused the democrats and liberals to start running through the streets naked with their hair on fire, thinking they are impressing us. Showing what they really were- capable of losing it over a tweet.

The republicans are exactly what you say they are not. I don't mean every person, I mean the general position of the group. Every group has it's exceptions to common sense values, and you should know, because the dems are pretty much loaded with people like that. That wasn't always true- thus I've voted for democratic presidents when I thought they were the best choice at the time. Today, crazy is the only thing they have to offer, and I'm not buying any of it at any level.

It's one of the reasons for the growing divide between Americans- too many people are ignoring half the facts in order to make what they want to believe sound rational to themselves.
Just for one point- People don't worship Trump. They respect and appreciate what he has been doing and trying to do; and they want to see it continue. There's a big Trump flag on my flagpole, below the Stars and Stripes- and the key motivation on it is "Keep America Great". I don't want to live in a third world socialist nation. I've been to a few and seen what happens. California's on the way there now, because dems are running the governments and have been botching every project for decades.

IF another candidate of similar caliber has been around that would have had more of a "nice guy" image, Trump probably wouldn't even have ran- but there was nobody willing to take that on. He saw the need, and I'm grateful he did. It's unfortunate he ruffles your feathers, even more unfortunate that you value that above results. The man is not important- the goals and the accomplishments are. Trump will be gone in 4 years, but the importance of our values and goals will be here long after you and I have left the building.
The legacy we leave our grandchildren is a lot more important than your hostility over Trump's personality. Keep waiting for a lefty to acknowledge that, so far it ain't happening....

 

Begin with Leading by example !!

and Not suggesting citizens resist safe practices

 

You can't dispute the 800- 1000 daily American deaths

 

So you compare the President of the United states to Drug Cartels, and human traffickers.

I guess that's the only yardstick by which we can measure this President's moral standards. And this is coming from his supporters, no less. There is no way this country can sink lower than that.

 

No I am talking about who is responsible. Trump is way down on the list of who is responsible.

There are the parents who have primary responsibility for their children and putting them in that position. There are the people actually at the border. Trying to do their best under trying conditions. There are the supervisors of those at the border also trying to do their best under trying conditions. There are the democrats who encourage illegal trafficking and who refuse to put up a fence which would have brought this to a stop. There is Obama. He set the precedent for much of it. Then, finally there is Trump who inherited this mess after the democrats made a mess out of and still. are still a block to solution.

 

Dude based on the numbers prophesied by the experts Trump has saved 2.7 million lives.

 

Yeah... They can just go online on their high-speed internet using their brand new Dell laptops and print the petition on their state-of-the-art laser printer to mail it in one of the Post Office boxes they have in the jungles of Honduras and Guatemala.

My God... most of these people can't even read!

Assuming they are alive, that is. There is a reason why they walked hundreds of miles seeking asylum in the first place, you know. And it wasn't to make Trump angry.

It's unbelievable how detached from reality most Trump loyalists are.

Here is what any Trump loyalists who has a soul will refuse to watch from beginning to end.

 

And yet they managed to drag their lil Children thru blistering deserts to the U.S. border.. Eventually you will realize how ridiculous this propaganda is You have yet to answer the simple question of "Why haven't the Parents petitioned the U.S., contacted those human rights advocate, UNICEF and all the NGO's helping to find these illusive Parents Jesus Christ, you would think if they really gave a damn about their Children all these resources wouldn't have to look any further then the border patrol where they are DEMANDING the return of little Pedro and Maria..

Again from your very informative link

"The Department of Homeland Security, though, says that some of the parents don't want the kids back."

You have picked a subject with very obvious reason why these lil Children and from your link 18 year olds are still sitting in foster care, EVEN some with their relatives are not being claimed by their WONDERFUL loving mommy and daddies.. But please do, continue your ridiculous attempt to spin this, it's actually pretty entertaining watching you wiggle and spin away from having to answer a simple question..

Where are these very concerned parents and why are they having to be searched for

 

Yep! Trump is an irresponsible SOB. And that's why he should neve have been elected to the Presidency.

 

That does not dispute what I said.

 

What nonsense! Only in the mind of Tucker Carlson and Hannity were such numbers "prophesied".

However, if Trump is re-elected... that number is not out of the question.

 

In addition to the above, torture is prohibited by international treaties that the US government is a signatory to. All international treaties are incorporated into the Constitution under the Supremacy clause (Article VI Clause 2). And the Constitution is of course the Supreme Law of the Land by its own mandate. Torture is also prohibited by the 5th, 8th, 9th and 10th Amendments to the federal Constitution and all state constitutions.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/faq/torture-law-2011-06-24.htm

 

Only to have Trump torture them.

Anybody who excuses this immoral behavior, and worse yet, those who defend it, should be ashamed of themselves. The only good thing is that, when they wake up from their "stupor", those who believe in an afterlife will dread their moment of "reckoning" for the rest of their lives.

 

LMAO, that's all you got I guess the Golem will never divulge where these illusive parents are and why they don't claim their little babies..

Golem Link
"The Department of Homeland Security, though, says that some of the parents don't want the kids back."

 

Then again, these Mexican and South American children Golem refers to are in the welfare system, the same system U.S. Children enter when U.S. parents are incarcerated.. Notice how Golem doesn't equate that to torture

 

So do you actually have a point? Does that mean you agree that separating children from their parents is torture which he rightfully pointed out or are you somehow trying to say that if he doesn't point out every instance of torture, his point is somehow diminished?