The Blue states should let the red states leave.

I am serious about this. If the state level GOPs vote for Articles of secession we should let them leave the Union and form their own country. It will be better for us not to have them as a political force and economic strain on our nation.

What we gain

1. No more federal aid to those states.
2. Progressive policies could get passed.
3. Amendment to get money out of politics and to end the EC would be easily passed.
4. We could actually enact climate action

There is no benefit for trying to get them to stay. I care about improving my standard of living and living in a progressive country not about preserving the union.

Hell we could even create a union state between the new US and Canada with freedom of movement, trade, and work.

 

The problem is that in many of those states half, if not more, of the population aren't stupid enough to want this.

The absolute morons you're talking about are the result of Republican gerrymandering, voter suppression, and last but certainly not least, the primaries.

Most of these idiots pursuing this are in districts where their only competition is in the primary and, as you well know, when it comes to Republican primaries, the Qrazier the better. So, they toss this crap on the walls because they're not interested in governing. This is just their way of "owning the libs." Which, over the last 10 years, has become the ONLY consistent policy of the Republican party.

 

I'm sure those states would let the liberal parts/cities stay in the Union. If not the sane ones could leave and move to the US. I just don't have the will to fight to keep those wacko's in our nation anymore.

 

Although I'm sure Canada can't wait for the addition of millions of pajama boys, you seem to have things backward. You want to make massive changes to the country, changes that would be easier with no red state opposition, but it's you that wants to change things. The red states would be much happier with America as it is than you and the blue states are, so wouldn't it make more sense for the blue states to leave?

You could start your own constitution from scratch, including every wish list you've ever had, and the best part is you could escape the FED and the US Treasury and create a financial system based on MMT, and institute a universal basic income from that. You guys hate the US flag and burn it at every available protest, why not just start fresh with a new flag:





And a new anthem like 'Imagine' or some hip hop song?

That seems to make more sense than your idea.

 

We need to keep the country because we need to make sure that the military will stop abusing the world. If we leave the US would invade with the military and force us in with no representation. If we let red states leave, we will stop the wars, and we won't invade red states. So you see the reason we can't leave is due to the fact that red states are much more likely to invade to "own the libs" and blue states are much more likely to let things be.

 

Why fight them? They only harm themselves.

 

Exactly my point. Let them leave without a fight.

They vote to leave no court cases.

 

No because you hurt many in the process.

Ignore them

This is about one thing and one thing only.

Own the Libs!

No one is seceding. No one is going to try. By reacting you give them the airtime they crave.

 

I can't help but agree! The 'blue state' nation would go bankrupt within ten years because at some point not even the Federal Reserve combine's 'central bank' would be able to go on 'printing' enough imaginary 'money' to keep anything so bureaucratically inept afloat.

A 'blue state' nation would quickly devolve into a kind of country-wide "Portland" or "Seattle", with masses of violent militants and other angry parasites destroying or stealing everything they could lay their hands on. With 'blue state' nation leaders like AOC, 'Spartacus' Booker, 'Pocahontas' Warren, Kamala-la-la Harris, and the usual stooges and hyperlib sycophants like Nadler, Schiff, and Ilhan Omar, the whole 'blue state' nation would tear itself to pieces in a bloody orgy of who can inflict some faction's vision of "income-equality", "wokeness", "inclusion", and "diversity" better than that of any other faction....

A 'blue state' nation would still be trying to figure out which public BATHROOM to go piss in, while a 'red state' nation would continue to grow into expanding prosperity, economic strength, and abundance for all who are willing to WORK, using common sense, useful education, and inventive methodology. Example: TEXAS!

 

Texas's economy is weaker than California's. Red states on average are poorer than their blue state counterparts. These are just basic political facts you can't argue against. You wouldn't get economic expansion, red states would just get imperialized by the blue states' economic might. How long do you think the red states can go without facebook? My guess is Red states will go crawling to China before they would take a loan from blue states, but then again seeing how they guzzle blue state money already and demand more of it? Who actually knows?

 

The problem is that it is not really blue states against red states. It is cities and suburbs against the rural areas. Blue states have more city and suburban folk than rural folk. For red states, it is the other way around. I live in a red area in a blue state. My red neighbours would be VERY unhappy if this kind of separation would happen. This is really not fixable, and shouldn't be.

 

That's easy. We can sell California electricity at $1/kwh. We can add $2/gallon export tariff onto refined gasoline and diesel. Farcebook can't run without electricity and California already buys 1/3 of it's consumed electricity from red states. Mexico would own California in about 2 months with their current immigration policies and Silicon Valley will pack up and head East to join AMD and Texas Instruments. My uncle from Antioch has already began construction on his new home in San Antonio.

How is Hollywood doing lately?

 

I don't know, I live in NY. Doesn't really get around to my points though.

 

It's the same point on both coasts. How will NYC get groceries? Fly them from CA? Heating oil? Texas is moving its gold from the Federal Reserve in NY if it hasn't already done so. Our Teacher and government worker retirement funds are fully funded and backed up by the gold in the Texas Reserve. They opted out of Social Security 40 years ago and pay about 50% more in retirement.

 

I said the same thing about the blue state succession ideas a long time ago.

since we know nobody is leaving, this is a waste of bandwith, but the progressives can leave if they like, i'll help them pack.

 

Oh I know exactly how they're going to get groceries, heating oil, whatever else they need from red states. Do the exact same thing as they do now. Globalize and imperialize. Force Red State markets open with capital from the Blue states which are already richer than their red state counterparts. Isn't that why the Red States want out? If you listen to anti-federalist terrorists that's what they're saying. What do you think will end up happening? You can get bogged down in details about gold reserves, but I don't have to know that to know that even Siam had gold reserves before the British and French imperialized them.

 

Blue Country money will no longer be valid in Red Country. There will be an exchange rate and blue states have very little energy to run what little industry they have left. You will have to join Canada to access their resources. Do they produce enough oil to support the Northeast? You'd better get busy globalizing and imperializing something to eat and keep you warm.

 

What made California and most 'blue states' great was all the prosperity associated with World War II and the post-war period, which lasted until roughly the end of the 20th-century. Then, things started to change significantly -- and not for the good -- for any of us.

Now a virulent form of 'neo-socialism' has taken over 'blue states' because of overpopulation in the urban areas, and, the 'popping' of that post-WWII 'prosperity bubble' that lasted so well for so long. Democrat politicians pander to the public with all kinds of handout welfare, 'social programs', and socialistic drivel, dogma, and propaganda to support their ability to keep on getting even more power from an increasingly hopeless, parasitic population of voters. How long are states full of 'takers' going to survive when more and more of the 'makers' move away? How long can the Federal Reserve 'central bank' create enough imaginary money to pay for all this 'blue state' welfare, in addition to everything else?!

You don't need me to tell you what has happened in the "Titanic" of the 'blue states' -- CALIFORNIA! Already this month, three titans of business are headed for TEXAS -- Elon Musk, Hewlett-Packard, and Oracle. More will follow from other 'blue states' into 'red states' -- wait and see! And it will happen even faster than ever now that it appears almost inevitable that NEXT MONTH, radical Democrats are going to be in possession of the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives....

But, not everybody is unhappy about that!

. "Hey, if Americans want to commit suicide, why should we stop them...?!"

 

I've always said the same thing, but red and blue agree on almost nothing. I don't think either side has the desire to fight to preserve the union if someone decides to walk.

 

Let the red states leave? Whatever for? These big, red states are turning purple (half-red, half-blue) and turning blue with every year that passes. If we wait long enough, we'll have a sea of blue-states and control the whole country.

 

Fake News. With the sweep of the 2020 elections, the GOP controls far more State Legislatures, and with the agreement of 34 State Legislatures can circulate Constitutional Amendments for ratification. Further, even if we kicked you guys out, our military would still protect your ports, and why should we pay tariffs in order to obtain goods for facilities that we keep in operation? We're not. We are the majority party, and per Cocaine Mitch, the responsible Red States will not be bailing out the Foolish and Irresponsible Blue States.

Blue States are so destructive to those that live within them, that after this Census tabulates all the Americans who have voted with their feet, the Red States are expected to add 7 ECV to their total.

That's the same as flipping Oregon red, better than flipping NV. As good as Flipping RI and DC, HI and DE, and better than flipping two VT.

And then there is CA, the shining example of why one should never, as Obama said of Illegitimate Joe, underestimate their ability to F things up.

You pine for the New Green Pipe Dream, while CA shows you what that gets you:

TODAY’S CALIFORNIA ENERGY EMBARRASSMENT​

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Yesterday we noted the Federal Judge striking down their wannabe Totalitarian Gov who willfully violates his own indoor dining ban by multiple families in public restaurants. Now, a fresh embarrassment announced in understated fashion by the U.S. Department of Energy that California imported 25 percent of its electricity in 2019.

Our very own excellent Energy Information Administration has some things to say about California’s silliness. EIA “Today in Energy” brief has another understated but devastating smackdown for California’s energy pretensions.

In one sentence, today’s brief essentially says, “Without lots of natural gas-fired power, California is screwed.” Of course that’s not the actual language—these are government analysts were talking about, but, it's easy to read between the lines. Let’s start with the chart:

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The text:

In California wholesale electricity markets, natural gas-fired electricity generation helps to balance fluctuations in electricity demand with daily cycles in solar-powered electricity generation. Natural gas and solar are the two most prevalent sources of electricity generation in California; however, solar generation is non-dispatchable. Grid operators in the state use natural gas and, to a lesser extent, hydroelectricity and electricity imports from neighboring areas to balance changes in electricity demand.​

Both demand for electricity and output from natural gas-fired power plants in California are often highest in the afternoon and early evening, between 4:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m. Output from solar power will peak and then plateau by midday, rapidly declining by the evening as the sun sets. As solar output declines, natural gas-fired generators often have to ramp up, or increase their output, considerably.​

The ramping effort in California is often greatest in the summer months, when air conditioning use increases demand for electricity. According to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) Hourly Electric Grid Monitor, hourly natural gas-fired generation on a typical summer day (based on the average of July and August 2020) went from 10 gigawatts (GW) for the hour ending at noon to 22 GW for the hour ending at 7:00 p.m.​

Question: What will happen to natural gas “peaking” demand after California closes its last nuclear power plant in a couple years, and supposedly replaces it with wind and solar power? Good times for natural gas I suspect. The promises of carbon-free electricity by 2035 or 2050 will go poof faster than an Eric Swalwell carbon emission on MSNBC.

Learn to live with the majority GOP and quit fantasizing about a break up.

 

That's ridiculous and I think you know it.

You started this thread off with one of your complaints being aid to red states. That goes away if you leave. If I understand you correctly, you think that the rich blue states are subsidizing the poor red states. So if you leave, you are taking your money with you. So a poor, red, United States won't have money to "abuse the world." You will be the guys with the money to do that.

Weirdly, one of the primary opposing points you guys have had against Trump is that he wasn't abusing the world! You guys want to continue to pick up the bulk of the bills for NATO, and want war in Syria for some reason, so as the richer national cousin, you can take up all of those responsibilities and fight your war in Syria. The poor, red, US won't be able to afford such a war so will have to stay home.

 

1) nobody will walk, I'm convinced of this.
1a) there will be lots of talk, but see #1.
2) we agree on a ton of stuff
2a) the extremists are the disagreeable ones

 

Yeah keep telling yourself that when the blue states use their capital to imperialize red states.

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's like saying Saudi Arabia runs the US, or what some farmer selling sugar to Americans would tell themselves. Keep dreaming.