The Blue states should let the red states leave.

Not for much longer and almost all of those people voted red. Already half if Oregon wants to secede from Oregon and join Idaho. Almost 95% of the counties that grow nearly 100% of the food voted red.

 

Those wouldn’t be those large vegetable farms that stretch on for miles. Who employ all the migrant farm workers who Trumpians want to kick out of the country.

 

Sorry done on the basis if a guest worker program...

 

Yes, New York, California and other blue states should have to deal with their own massive number of golden pensions for government employees and their massive state debts.

 

Have you never driven along I-5 between LA and the Bay Area? There are feedlots for as far as the eye can see.

I am a westerner more than a Democrat or Republican. I think that if the Western states, everything from Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming, Montana, and every state west of there, that the Western States would make for a much better country than everything in the Midwest and east.

 

I've read a lot of stupid threads on this forum but this one takes the cake. It earns my stupid thread of the week award.

 

They have everything they need in your favorite states except water, decent soil and weather conducive to growing food.

 

Have you ever stopped to consider what would happen to those feedlots if corn was not available to feed the cattle?

California feedlots feed around 64 million bushels of corn each year. California produces about 34 million bushels of corn per year. Much of that production goes to dairy, hog, and poultry production as well as beef finishing. So in effect, without Midwest imports of corn (and dried distillers grains) the feedlots you see would cease to exist.

That’s just one example. Dairies in CA do well. But they import alfalfa, distillers grains, etc. to feed the cows.

Many of the steers fed in CA are Holsteins from the large dairy industry. A dairy industry decimated by lack of imported feeds would destroy a large part of the feeder cattle supply of CA as well.

Having grown up in Colorado I share your love for the topography and recreational opportunities in the west. Having grown food in both the west and Midwest, the Midwest wins hands down.

Water is another big issue for CA if there was secession . All points along the Colorado River would have to secede as well. Other water sources as well, but the Colorado River is key.

Again, I’ll reiterate with my further demonstration in this post, few understand agriculture well enough to predict how secession would affect states.

 

No state is going to secede from the US. Any talk of such is beyond asinine.

 

But then you'd be screwed, because all the people who actually make the economy work and foot the bills that may be left in the blue states would leave and go to the red states. It's one thing to embrace a philosophy that sounds noble when someone else is carrying your water- but it doesn't work on it's own.

I'm all for cutting off the west coast right now, and letting them see how well they survive by driving out all the big taxpayers with high rates and stupid regulations. California is working overtime to destroy itself, the others well on the way too. Even their own people want to divide the state to keep the lunatics in the dem dominated governments from screwing everyone in the state. They never learn; it is indeed time to let them suffer the consequences of their own choices with no bail-outs or assistance.

 

The thing about Bezo's and Zuckerberg isn't their blue votes, it's their money, oh so much money, to blue causes, including funding Biden's campaign. You won't be disavowing that anytime soon.

 

We might get guest workers from SF and LA.

 

What makes you think you can do that?

 

Are the migrant workers here legally? Then, contrary to your claim, no one wants to kick them out.
Are the migrant workers here illegally? Why would any rational person want them to stay?

 

Unless you have someone who is willing to replace them in their field there is no reason to send illegal farmers back. Unless you want food prices to skyrocket.

 

Again they are here legally as part of guest worker program. Look up Cesar Chavez feelings about illegal immigrants...

 

The people who took the time and made the effor to immigrate here legally disagree with you.
So does anyone who believes in the rule of law.

 

Let's just disabuse you of some obvious misconceptions:

1. Pick a "red v blue" county U.S. map, whichever one you like, here's one I pulled randomly:
u.s. map red and blue counties - Bing images

Who -owns- all that red and the resources in it? Jay Z? Rachael Ray? CNN? Hmm.

Some things should instantly become apparent... if you're honest with yourself. For a few possible examples among many (I could go on all day here about who "owns" what, but the map itself should suffice), 1. do we really live in a country of "Blue v Red STATES?" No. We live in a country of a few blue population/government control centers in a SEA of Red COUNTIES. 2. What do the wee little blue areas have in the way of resources? Population, mouths to feed, and... that's about it. Isn't that the very essence of "sustainable?" ROFL.

So tell us all some more about all the "blue states" and "red states." That scenario is a gross oversimplification.

2. The secession movements you and yours should fear are not interstate, but intrastate secessions. There will be no federal civil war preventing those. Or maybe you think all the elite troops of South Central and Beverly Hills will spill forth into the rest of the state keeping California (or any state) whole? Maybe media and big city government can -talk- its way out of these types of secessions?

Once just a few of these intrastate secessions occur, dozens of other dominos will begin falling across the country, and this when the possibility of actual intrastate secessions emerges... a bit down the road but not too far off. How's the avocado crop in Watts these days? Haven't checked in awhile. Maybe the bumper $9 million alfalfa crop in LA County will fill the gap?

There's no need whatsoever for interstate state-wide secessions from the federal government, YET, are there? Feds still get their taxes after all, only the wee bit o blue cities will suffer, and man will they suffer. It's coming.

3. But the real "secessions" won't be bona fide secessions at all, rather de facto tax revolt "secessions." There are 30 million small businesses in the U.S., employing from 1-1000+ employees, everything from doctors to tradesmen to beauty shops, restaurants, and yes, businesses who sell Duck Dynasty videos. Man, they are WHITE HOT PO'D right about now, was it really a great idea to couple massive ballot fraud with a fake "pandemic?" Stay tuned. Very few of these, you know, the ones who comprise a gigantic portion of the U.S. tax base, are LW or statist sympathizers. When these FLEE the small geographic blue areas for more business friendly climes, maybe the ballerinas, bureaucrats, actors, celebrities, welfare mothers, homeless, lawyers, queer studies and grievance professors, etc. can fill the GAPING productivity and knowledge voids left behind? Maybe Ellen Degeneres can retool into family practice or as a plumbing contractor? Can Jack Dorsey clean out a septic tank? Maybe out of work actors and gender studies "doctorates" can learn to fix ****. They'll have to or...

Maybe the IRS can prosecute and jail... say... 20 million small business tax resisters among those 100+ million small business employees? Could they successfully prosecute and jail even 100,000? Maybe Amazon or Facebook will take up the tax base slack? Well until they move to the CCP that is.

 

It might help if you had a shred of evidence of any of that - would you please present the data that leads you to this conclusion?

 

They take Trumps word as gospel clearly they lack the um intelligence to run a country.

 

Weird. Southern senators used a very similar argument to defend slavery pre-civil war. You don't want the prices on your cotton shirts to skyrocket do you?

 

This isn't about bailing out the blue states despite McTreason's disingenuous rhetoric. It's about sabotaging the recovery.

"Economists almost universally agree that direct aid to states and localities is one of the best tools the federal government has at its disposal to avoid a weak recovery or a dip back into recession. States and localities employ about one out of seven American workers. Every federal dollar sent their way contributes at least $1.30 to the economy.

“Federal aid to state and local governments has not been in question in prior recessions,” says Chris Hoene, executive director of the California Budget & Policy Center, a nonprofit watchdog group. “The surprise here is that there’s even a debate about whether there should be additional aid to state and local governments when there’s so clearly a need.”
https://www.governing.com/finance/W...s-a-Tough-Sell-for-States-and-Localities.html

 

Cotton is picked mechanically.

 

A hilarious non response!

 

You should read up on agriculture in the west. Dry land farming can be highly profitable. Crops like wheat, oats and sorghum grow just fine in eastern Colorado, Wyoming, and Montana. Western Oregon and Washington are very well watered by the rain. At times, it reaches near rain forest conditions. Oregon and Washington have more trees than other states. More Christmas trees come from Oregon than anywhere else. Being that Oregon is in the Goldilocks zone, agriculture production has been increasing as the Earth is warmed by continued inputs of carbon into the atmosphere.

Everything grows in Eastern Oregon. The Willamette Valley just may be the most fertile land in the US. It almost never freezes and there is always plenty of rain.