REPORT: Cops Quitting At ‘Unprecedented’ Numbers In Portland

criminals gonna criminal, we expect that.... cops we expect to be good.... both should be punished when caught being bad

 

The percentage non-white, non-Hispanic in the podunk town nearest me in Nebraska that keeps such stats is 13%. Identical to the percentage of non-white, non-Hispanics in the US.

 

lol... the unemployment rate is sky high. Good ridden of a lot of bad apples.

Them lot found in lawful to round up 100's of left wing protesters to be photographed and id-ed for the luls. The same bunch communicated with right wing protesters how to avoid to be arrested. They got busted that they knew some cops were part of anti-muslim organizations and anti-government organizations, and did nothing.

That just adds to their long long history of the Portland police having the closest ties possible with violent white supremacist.

 

The more common complaint specifically in Portland is that their cops have a massive history of having very very cozy ties with violent white supremacist, and having 1st and 2nd class citizen policies way and WAY beyond the end of the Jim Crow era. Up to 2017 at least, their cops still were able to be part of anti-muslim and anti-government organizations. How on earth they would treat a Muslim the same way is beyond imagination.

They are also known to attack the free press.


It's the crap you would except happens in iffy fascist nations.

 

I know so do you see our frustration with the left yet?

 

A great deal of the protests night after night after night in downtown Portland were greatly fueled by the anger at the police for accommodating the violent right wing gangs that have been attacking Portland ever since the Trump became president. It was a Portland police officer who fabricated the story about “antifa” throwing concrete milkshakes, that made the rounds on right wing media a couple of years ago. Evidence has surfaced showing that the violent Patriot Prayer was coordinating their activities with sympathetic police officers. 80% of Portland voters voted in favor of the creation of a civilian police oversight board with the power to discipline officers.

 

good cops are PAID to protect us from criminals.... that includes criminal cops

 

Interesting theory you manufactured there.

 

This is a common myth I see bandied about in other states as well. The fact is, property taxes in Oregon stay local. They are not “shared” or “redistributed” by the state. Second, the only tax that is redistributed is state income tax.

Now, the Portland metro area contains 60% of Oregon’s population, but only generates 55% of state income tax revenue. So in reality, Portland is being subsidized by the rest of the state. Shuffling some money here and there and telling ya’ll Portland subsidizes the state has you snookered. The facts that go unreported show a very different reality.

It’s also interesting to note that just the city of Portland, not the metro area, is $4.1 Billion in debt. That’s 9% of Oregon taxpayers holding 18% of total municipality debt in Oregon.

 

Probably the reason cops are quitting. Good to read as well that a lot of them are going for retirements. That means the old guard who have undoubtingly kept a poisonous thug racist culture alive are leaving.... or lest just call it a "generation gap".

 

There is no “thug racist culture” permeating the Portland Police Bureau.

Oregon is a beautiful state, and police officers have many really great choices of places to live and work.

I did my career here in Oregon for a community that was supportive of us. There is no chance that if I could do it all over again that I would do it over again in Portland. No chance.

 

You live in an alternate reality.

Who knew that all the leftists rioting and looting that happened after george floyd actually had nothing to do with george floyd and BLM (despite all the signs they were holding), but was actually a response to these violent right wing gangs that had been attacking portland for years (that we mysteriously never heard anything about until now). And also, for some reason, these leftists didn't riot and loot when these so called right wing gangs were attacking, they decided to waited until this year to respond.

Yep, sounds perfectly reasonable.

 

Nazi's and the KKK were openly present in their ranks in the 1940's.
The black community won a court case to make cops not use racial slurs in the 1970's.
They still used Klan rituals like tossing road kills at the doorstep of black owned business in the 1980's.
In the 2000's they had a cop who openly commemorated his fallen nazi WWII buddies in public. They than made him captain.
In the 2010's the United States justice department suet those cops over unconstitutionally and excess use of force. They won.
This year, in the review,.. it was concluded that there is a lack of good will to improve on the lost 2010's courtcase.
Two years ago the cops apped nazi buddies out protesting about them having outstanding warrants but looking the other way.


Objectively... this exactly what a thug racist culture looks like, and white privilege ...

 

You’re bringing stuff up from generations ago or decades ago. Times have changed.

The use of force is an ever-evolving body of law.

Misconduct by an individual here and there is just part of the human condition. Those individuals do not represent the whole group or its culture.

PPB has high standards. Almost 1100 applicants, and only 800 met minimum standards. After testing, only 300 were sent to background checks. 85% of those failed background checks, leaving 43. 5 didn’t make it through probation, leaving 38 out of 1100 original applicants.

The black 30 year Sergeant who was the President of the police union just retired. The present Police Chief is black. The Bureau is very diverse, and characterizing it as a “thug racist” culture is simply untrue.

 

Read again.
I painted the picture how it still is like that in the 2010's and today.

The US government itself filed a lawsuit against the excess use of force applied by the cops of Portland and won.
And up to today, there is not enough good will to change that among the cops of Portland.

It's just a total humiliation of the Portland cops to have lost that courtcase by their own freaking government!
It shows they are that dumb and indoctrinated of their own culture that they can't see their own wrongs.

The court case the cops lost was about systematic use of excess force and breaching constitutional rights. It has nothing to do with some individual cop. Lets stick to facts and not your opinion.

A report from 2020 says their is not enough good will in curbing the systematic use of excess force and breaching constitutional rights.
So you say one thing, while the impartial reality is something else.

You're claiming it's not racist,... but you can not deny that up to today the cops lost a court case made against them by their own government that they are way to violent and constantly violate constitutional rights. You also can not deny the close ties the cops had in the past with nazi's, close ties that they still have today. Them are facts.

 

@mudman and @Seth Bullock bravo to both of you for trying to inject some reality into this thread.

 

As I said, the body of law that governs the use of force by police is ever-changing and evolving. Also, since the Supreme Court Graham v Connor case, the SCOTUS hasn’t weighed in since 1989. This leaves lower federal and state courts to make decisions - decisions that other courts may not agree with.

So again, just because one judge makes a finding against the PPB in a specific case does not mean that there is some sort of systematic racist thug mentality in the whole department. That makes about as much sense as holding a nationwide lottery, and the winner gets to choose who wins the presidential election. A different judge may see it differently.

Portland and the Police Bureau are run by the most progressive liberal city officials in the nation, and the Bureau itself is run directly by one of the most progressive liberal mayors in the country. His police chief is hand picked by him, and acts accordingly.

You’re barking up the wrong tree here.

 

How does an uber liberal city attract/create so many white supremacists and cops who support them? I'm thinking it's an exaggeration. The left, when trying to drive home a point, often goes to extremes and sometimes outright lies.

 

88% of Oregon’s income comes from income taxes. A lower minimum wage is allowed in rural counties.

In Colorado they also used to pretend that rural Republican counties were more profitable. Fact of the matter is, without the metro Portland area in Oregon, and the Denver-Boulder metropolis in Colorado, those two states would have very little wealth, very little industry - like Idaho and the Dakotas. Instead of being propelled by the industry of their cities, to sit near the top, economically.

It is not just on a day to day thing but structural, that the cities pay for rural amenities. For instance, rural electrification and telephone access has been paid for by taxes on, and higher usage rates for, city dwellers. It is/was not profitable to run power and telephone lines to rural areas. There are still large swaths of rural America that have no cell phone service. Because it is not profitable.

In Oregon, agriculture and forestry combined, make up only about 5% of the economy. Mining and gas, only 0.3%.

Recently, it was the state police who beat back the right wing mob who violently attacked the state capital building, with legislators inside.

The most ironic thing about Oregon, is that it was through the efforts of Republicans that helped create the social structure that has given Oregon its unique character. A character that is often seen as being overly liberal.

It was a Republican governor who first instituted the environmental protections that Oregon now enjoys. Pretty much, the entire length of the Coast is public land, publicly accessible. Same with most of the banks along the Columbia and Willamette Rivers. It was Republicans who pushed for an all mail in voting system. It may be that Oregon has always been ruled by liberals. It is just that they used to call themselves Republicans. That is until the religification of the Republican Party under Reagan.

 

The settlement between the Portland Police and the DOJ was over their brutal treatment of mentally ill individuals. I think, in the last unjustified shooting of a Black man by the Portland Police, the man had mental problems, and had he been White, likely would have still been shot.

One of the ideas, that keeps being brought up, is the idea of pairing a police officer with a social worker to patrol the streets.

At least half of the homeless have mental or physical limitations and receive the brunt of the abuse by officers.

I live in Portland and I think that most people, for the most part respect the Portland Police. Compared to the police elsewhere, the Portland Police are more fair and just. It is just that the system allows bad apples to remain. The solution seems to have been found at the ballot box.

 

Perhaps not everyone hears things one’s bubble does not want one to hear. Every reported incident of the anti fascists in Portland has been in opposition to the activities of right wing gangs such as the Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys.

 

Indeed. It reminds me of similarly faulty arguments rightwingers use against school teachers who quit.

 

Well, Merry Christmas, neighbor (Yamhill County)

 

I can add an example from Illinois to that - Chicago schools get a ton of money from state. Money that didn’t come from Chicago taxpayers. Those are state money coming from income taxes meant to prop up collapsing school teacher pension funds.

 

My state isn’t as nuts with pension funds, but rural property taxes fund city schools. The portion of my annual property tax that ends up in K-12 education is about equivalent to my annual living expenses.