Why don't men want the Covid vaccines? How should we reach them?

You obviously know nothing about it. These vaccines don't perform CRISPR-Cas9 system genomic engineering (you don't even know how to properly capitalize the acronym; you should capitalize CRISPR - which stands for Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats - but you shouldn't capitalize the name of the Cas9 endonuclease enzyme, and there is no space between Cas and the number 9). You probably heard about it somewhere and you have no clue about how you actually perform these gene editing techniques. And it's not "Mnra" vaccines. It's mRNA vaccines. LOL.

Look, the abysm in knowledge between you and me is too big for me to continue to dialogue with you. Keep seeing ETs (others won't understand this reference; they should look up this poster's posting history to get it). I lost all interest in dialoguing with you. You've been promoted to the group of people I pay no attention to, don't read, and don't reply to. Have a nice life. Over and out (as far as you're concerned; I'll continue to dialogue with others here).

It was inevitable that this thread would attract this kind of poster. Regrettable.

 

Well, I was going to cite some studies claiming women value cooperation and sacrificing themselves for the group more than men do, according to some left-leaning sites claiming this makes them better politicians and bosses... but now they're all behind paywalls, so I guess I'll just have to put it out there as my personal theory.

 

Interesting. Even without the links, I'm willing to believe in what you're saying. I think there are some instinctual differences between the two halves of our species, likely from evolutionary traits from the time when women where left behind to collectively care for the tribal offspring while men hunted by themselves or in small groups. It's interesting to notice that while both my wife and I are medical doctors, she was always the one who stayed on top of our children's vaccines, and still today, with the children being independent young adults, she calls them to remind them of their annual flu shots and other vaccines. I always took care of different aspects of their lives (e.g., I was the one who took them to college tours when they were high school seniors) but vaccines were her department, despite the fact that immunology and virology are part of what I do while she specializes in something different. Strange, no?

Now, the "sacrificing themselves" part is hardly applicable to these vaccines... which have a rate of complications of 0.0008%, while the virus itself has a rate of complications of above 20%. So it's not really a sacrifice. These women are protecting themselves, primarily. But yes, they are also protecting their offspring, their husbands and companions, and their community, so maybe you have a point.

 

Okay so I'm kind of confused is this thread just talking about those men or do you want the opinions of those men because if you ridicule them that's probably not the best way to get input from said men just an observation what do I know

 

we should wait till all those that want to get it... get it, then worry about these folks

right now there is more demand than supply

 

and the longer it takes to get the world vaccinated, the more variants we may have

 

You are CORRECT!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...-republicans-covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-polls

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CBS NEWS RELEASED A POLL
conducted between March 10 and 13 which found 33 percent of Republicans say they won’t get the vaccine when it becomes available to them, while just 10 percent of Democrats said the same. In that survey, 47 percent of Republicans said they’ve already received the vaccine or plan to do so, compared to 71 percent of Democrats.

Those findings follow a recent poll from NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist which found that 47 percent of people who supported former President Donald Trump in the 2020 election say they won’t choose to be vaccinated (versus 10 percent of Biden supporters), as well as a Monmouth University poll released earlier in March that found 59 percent of Republicans either wanted to wait and “see how it goes” before getting vaccinated, or said they were likely to never get one. By contrast, 23 percent of Democrats felt the same way.

Similarly, Pew found 83 percent of Democrats have been vaccinated, or plan to be, compared to 56 percent of Republicans.

The Kaiser Family Foundation and Washington Post recently discovered that partisan vaccine hesitancy extends to the medical profession. A survey they conducted from February 11 to March 7 found 40 percent of Republican health care workers — including doctors, nurses, and staff — feel available vaccines may not be safe and effective. That view was held by 28 percent of Democrat health care workers.
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It looks like this thread was MISDIRECTED; the title & focus SHOULD BE centered on Trump supporters/Republicans, in general, first, with perhaps a subdivision of MEN, in that category.

 

In general, men don't like going to doctors. Men are also bigger risk takers than women which is why insurance is higher for men. I don't see any reason why this would be different.



Source: https://www.healthline.com/health-n...s the,withhold information from their doctors.

 

Here is a question many hesitant to vaccinate may ask...

"In what time frame was the most speedily developed vaccine developed prior to the Covid 19 vaccines"?

Is this not a speed record? Has science just recently advanced this far or was it rushed to market in record time before many possibilities were investigated?

 

Jesus, looking through this thread and just about every post has some sort of partisan tripe in it. The reason that men in general do not take the Covid vaccine or flu shots as much as women is billions of years of evolution. Its really that simple. Its the same reason that over 90% of men are brick layers while most women avoid it like the plague. Why men predominantly take jobs that are more high risk when compared to women.

Its not a cultural thing because you'll find roughly the same statistics in most, if not all, other cultures. Its not a political thing either because of the same reason.

Men have for thousands of years been the risk takers. While women were often sheltered from dangers (as much as possible anyways) and learned to run away from danger. Such a system still holds true. It might not be as evident as it used to be. After all, women being considered equal is a relatively new thing all things considered. A few decades of being considered equal is not going to change thousands of years historical instinct bred into human beings. Even longer if you consider we're still a part of our ancestors before we became Homo Sapiens or even Homo neanderthalensis or Homo erectus. (Hence why I mentioned "millions" earlier in my post.) And they had the same pattern of living. Males take the risk, females run away from danger. Getting rid of these base instincts isn't like flipping a switch.

 

Here's a thought...those who want the vaccines take them, wallow in you smug moral superiority and don't lose a micro-second worrying your now immortal azzes over those of us who prefer not to be unpaid lab rats. Simple, ain't it?

 

Great info! Yes, much of it is in the wake of Trump. Most of Trumps hardcore supporters are white men. It’s many of them and their influence on some others that are a big part of the cause. It’s just so ironic, in that Trump himself got Covid, was hospitalized, and has also since been vaccinated. But many of his loyal followers are still consciously or sub consciously holding a grudge against Covid as they believe it played a big part taking Trump down.Trump spent the better part of a year talking down The dangers of Covid, and many of his followers in spite all the evidence to the contrary, those words still linger with a lot of them.

 

Many women, not all, are more easily frightened than men. And maybe they are more easily fooled by charlatans?

I have several friends who admit in private that the only reason they took the shot was because their wife pressured them to do so.

I wish them all the best.

At Least 60% of All New COVID-19 'Cases' Are Occurring in People Who Were Already Vaccinated (humansarefree.com)

Some of the husbands are now experiencing buyer's remorse.

 

That's a really interesting theory, I emboldened, above. Bizarre as heck, but not necessarily wrong. So you think perhaps Trump supporters are not getting Covid-19 vaccines, which Trump's own Operation Warp Speed aided getting to market, because they're mad at the VIRUS, for taking Trump down? And therefore, instead of doing the thing that would help rid us of the virus, they're perpetuating the pandemic? Because they want to face the little bug mano a mano, and have their "natural," immune system punch it right in the nose?
That honestly doesn't make sense to me, but I must admit that a lot of what those people do seems nonsensical to me.

I would be inclined to attribute their resistance to something less directly political, like distrust of the government, or of the medical establishment, or just an inner sense of machismo-- call it "independence," in the women-- that they don't need no stinking vaccine.

 

We will likely never know for sure what’s inside a persons head, but yes I believe they in a sense are mad at the virus and holding a grudge. I’ve seen a lot of it right from the start of Covid. The red States that are loyal to Trump were often down playing the virus, downplaying mask wearing or anything else associated with Covid. Trump didn’t want anything to hurt the one major thing he had going for him, a good economy. He did the best he could to downplay it. His followers picked up on that from the beginning and downplayed it as well. Hard to quantify how many people this effected, and are still holding a grudge against Covid and now the vaccines, but my gut tells me a lot.

 

I see what you mean. I would probably classify it more as denialism of an unpleasant truth, rather than holding a grudge; but, as you say, we will never truly know all the inner workings of the minds of Trumpers.

 

What partisan tripe? I used no partisan tripe. And you seem to have missed my post #28 where I said exactly what you're saying. Is this another one of those knee-jerk responses some people produce without actually reading the whole thread, although it is a short one, so far?

 

It's starting to reverse. There's been some states already with idle capacity.

 

The previous record was 4 years, from the initial science to market (the mumps vaccine in the 1960's).

But there are a few explanations for the current record of 11 months for the Covid-19 vaccines. One, there was significant work done before, leading to the attempts to make another coronavirus vaccine, against the first SARS. Then, the first SARS epidemic fizzled out naturally, the virus disappeared, and the plans for the SARS-1 vaccine were shelved but the scientific bases were done. Two, yes, this new technology, mRNA, is much faster, and it's been slowly developed over 10 years; when Covid-19 came about, the technology was mature and ready. Three, instead of growing the vaccine in eggs, it is synthesized in labs, much faster. Four, there was unprecedent effort to abbreviate the non-scientific parts (production issues, red tape, cost-sharing to embolden the companies so that they would not waste a lot of time meditating from phase to phase, afraid that if their product failed they'd be stuck with a huge financial loss). Fifth, there was a huge and concerted effort by the international scientific community to understand this virus. For example, it's genome, which is needed to get to the mRNA vaccines, was sequenced merely weeks after the virus was first discovered.

On January 24, 2020 the first SARS-CoV-2 genome was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. This was the shortest time this was ever accomplished. By February 7, over 80 SARS-CoV-2 genomes had been shared through the Global Initiative to Share All Influenza Data (GISAID) and GenBank.

There is nothing sinister about the speed of R&D, production, and marketing for these vaccines. It's just that science evolves and all external factors got abbreviated, and the money set aside for these vaccines was humongous.

These days it is much faster to make an automobile in modern automated factories than when automobiles were first invented.

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It's interesting how in the begining of the pandemic everybody was saying "we need vaccines NOW!!!!"

Then we made them.

And then you all started crying "too fast!!!"

 

Unpaid lab rats? Vaccine doses by now have found worldwide 1,013,365,000 arms and counting (no kidding; latest number from sources - yep, that's more than 1 billion), that is WAY more tested than ANY medication you likely routinely take without a second thought to being a lab rat.

 

Yep, Covid played a big part taking Trump down, simply because of Trump's choices. If he had rather demonstrated leadership and had NOT attempted to minimize it for electoral gain, he would have cruised to re-election victory.

It's not Covid-19 that defeated Trump. It's not even Biden who defeated Trump. What happened is that Trump defeated Trump. His game of lying to the American public about Covid-19 just got too evident to too many people, and with the pandemic spiraling out of control making of the US the worst hit country in the world, his denial got exposed for what it was, a callous, selfish, self-serving attempt to sweep it under the rug to be re-elected, abdicating from the most important function of a president, that of protecting the American people.

Trump always saw the pandemic as an obstacle to his economy-based re-election. He never realized that much the opposite, the pandemic was an opportunity to show strong and decisive leadership. National crises against a common enemy often make a president stronger (think Bush after 9/11). Trump had this opportunity, and blew it. Trump is the person most responsible for Trump's defeat, not a mindless virus that infects people regardless of their political orientation.

 

The average person has not heard 90% of that, all they know is this vaccine came out at record speed, so of course they would be skeptical.

 

Never said that you said any partisan tripe. I said "just about". You can't deny that several posts in here have nothing but partisan tripe in it.

 

I think we are on the same page here. One way is a more conscious denial and the other way is a more sub conscious denial. Either way some are just pissed that Trump lost and anything Covid related tends to trigger them.

 

^ right on cue....