CDC now saying comorbidity deaths NOT COVID deaths, lol.

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  1. 21Bronco

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    Her words were clear. Someone might have had COVID, but COVID didn't actually kill them, so they're not a COVID death.

    Spin it all day long. It's painfully obvious she's trying to switch the rules of the stats now.

    In fact, Biden's CDC director is so stupid, she's saying that the "science has evolved" in just the "last two weeks" to show that now (that Biden is President), if you've been vaccinated, you can go without a mask.
     
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    LOL you are making my point for me.....as I said.....you hear what you WANT to hear and then you ignore what you do not want to hear. You have knowingly ignored the second sentence in the quote from the article. You want to hear the first sentence and do not want to hear the second sentence, so you simply proceed as if the second sentence does not exist. I will provide it for you again...


    "He said just because someone dies with COVID-19, it doesn't mean they died of COVID-19.
    Peterson said it was an important distinction that separated his totals from the state's."
    https://www.wisn.com/article/covid-...edical-examiner-explains-difference/34909031#



    ...Did you catch that second sentence? Do you see how he differentiates between HIS method and the STATES method?
     
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    Please, even Biden reversed on this. And had Trump banned "all" travel, there would have been more calls(in the Trump Presidency, he neutered himself more and more. Obviously figuring 'political pressure' into it.). You know it, and I know it. Hell you JUST said it in 2021.

    What Trump proved, is that a presidency for the people is hard to do in America at least so long as main stream Washington has the ability to propagate unfiltered.
     
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    No. I will not be taking an experimental largely untested non-FDA approved gene therapy injection. No thank you!

    You can already do this. YOU have the power. You need only stop living your life in a constant state of fear and stop willingly complying with tyrannical leftist government mandates.
     
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    This is beyond belief. The information here is life and death and yet conservatives are grossly misinforming people just to get an agreement with their talking points.

    Censorship IS justified in cases like these. It now seems conservatives are willing to KILL us for what looks like nothing more than minor political luls, they have to be stopped.
     
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    Honestly, I have no idea what you're talking about. Conservatives want to kill people cuz muh informashun?
     
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    Is it conservatives misinforming us? By the nature of the post you quoted, the CDC told us one thing 6 months ago, and is now telling us something different under the excuse of "the science evolved". Science, as a general rule *does not evolve*. It is static, it is empirical. It proves its thesis through a variety of tests and generally and normally until said tests they don't say anything for fear of screwing up.

    But because this has had very little(if anything) to do with science, and everything to do with a political election(let's call it what it is), destroying the economy to get to Trump was a small price(in their minds) to pay. Turns out, it'll be costly to bring the economy back too.

    We'll see in 2022 and 2024 if the voters are forgiving of the political gamesmanship instead of caring for the citizens when Trump's not on the ballot anymore.
     
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    LOL....HUH?

    If you have a problem with anything specific that I have said, I invite you to point out those specifics and I am more than happy to discuss your position on those specifics.

    How exactly are you suggesting that I am "grossly misinforming people?"

    I am trying to be polite while responding to what really is a crazy off the wall response to what I had said. It is almost as if you must have intended this as a response to some other message.
     
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    Actually, they've been pretty good.

    Let's examine each one of them.

    Covid-19 is a rather mild SARS variant. It is comparable to a mild flu.

    Not what was said.

    The fear mongering over covid-19 IS a Dem hoax.

    They ARE.

    It was never meant that it would literally disappear after Biden took office, but rather that it'll disappear once it is no longer useful for Demonkkkrats to exploit.

    Hydroxy IS a treatment for covid, as is ivermectin. They both work quite well. We should've just been treating people with those safe and effective treatments rather than mandating people to wear masks that don't stop viruses, installing plexiglass barriers that viruses can simply go around, keeping six feet apart from each other even though viruses can travel much farther than six feet, dangling freedom carrots above people's heads if they submit themselves to an experimental largely untested non-FDA approved gene therapy injection, among various other things that have harmed people rather than helped them...

    It is very low even with refusing to treat people properly... It would be even lower than that if people had decent access to hydroxy and ivermectin.

    I'm not going to debate made-up numbers, but herd immunity was reached before the gene therapy injection mass rollout happened.

    No, those were actually pretty good predictions.

    Bigotry. Bulverism.
     
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    Nothing in your post is correct.
     
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    Nothing in your post is correct.

    Oh, look, I can do it, too!
     
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    But my post is actually correct. His post co trained no factually correct statements.
     
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    It's very simple;

    Here's how Covid19 deaths were coded/counted in Michigan;

    ICD–10 U07.1.............died of Covid19

    or

    U07.2............. died of other causes, however, Covid19 was an underlying or related cause of death.

    https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/Provisional/CvdTable1.asp

    ONCE AGAIN, we will know how many died of Covid19 early 2022, thus, when the States/CDC will publish their final numbers of deaths, and causes of deaths.

    Also, when said final numbers will be published, we'll be able to compare ANTICIPATED Deaths, and EXCESS Deaths from other causes, and according to my studies, the ''would have died from other causes'' will be minimal.
     
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    Thanks for confirming the CDC director is making a 180 on the issue.
     
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    I don't give a damn about what she said. All I know is the final numbers will ridicule many posters on this site, especially those who believed that at least half who died of Covid19 ''would have died of other causes''. Can't wait to punish them for being stupid.
     
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    Okay. At least you're honest about your motives. Gotta Trust Big Government "Science", lol.
     
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    You also have to trust the death figures your State's Department of Health has/will publish.

    What's your State?
     
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    Texas. And I don't have to trust their numbers at all. Especially when they're apples and oranges between states, include unrelated deaths, etc. And I certainly trust them all less now that this has been politicized to hell and back.
     
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    Geeeeezze, Texas 2018 Final Death Counts/Causes of Deaths have yet to be released, and I couldn't find 2019/2020's preliminary numbers.

    However, according to a study, Texas has a very high percentage of non-covid excess deaths
     
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    And, still irrelevant to the entire thread, lol. Thanks. It's almost as if you're saying that all the numbers the media have been hyping over the last year were bunk.
     
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    The Texas government also allowed Nursing Homes/LTCF to accept Covid19 positive patients/residents.........Can't wait for the final numbers to be published.
     
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    Another pointless factoid. According to the CDC, many of those patients didn't die from COVID. She just made the change recently, lol.
     
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    And according to my Republican State's Health Officials, a number of éxcess deaths were likely misclassified as ''other causes'', thus, the opposite of what CDC Walensky said. Watch the video......

    https://www.kxnet.com/news/local-ne...show-irregularly-high-rate-of-deaths-in-2020/
     
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    The thing about statistics is, there's not always a right or wrong answer to counting something.
    Define what it is you're counting.
    Define how you're doing the counting.
    Be transparent.
    Don't change the rules and definitions once you don't like the numbers anymore.
     
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    I already told you that many patients didn't actually died from COVID19, and every above average intelligent people know that.

    ONCE AGAIN, here's how Covid19 deaths were coded/counted in Michigan;

    ICD–10 U07.1.............died of Covid19

    or

    U07.2.............DIED OF OTHER CAUSES, however, Covid19 was an underlying or related cause of death.

    https://www.mdch.state.mi.us/osr/Provisional/CvdTable1.asp

    Thus, the question is; How many Covid19 deaths were coded as U07.2?

    Answer; No one phoooken knows!

    However, we will know within 12 months.
     

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