CDC now saying comorbidity deaths NOT COVID deaths, lol.

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  1. 21Bronco

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    And what the CDC director said in my OP is the opposite, lol.
     
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    No, it is not.
     
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    now they need to go back and check autopsies from before December 2019, as I think the virus was also here before Trump said it was, I think Trump lied about 15 going on zero when he was trying to play it down
     
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    I can but I won't.
     
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    Which in turn is the same as I can't.
     
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    Yes. It is. The exact opposite. I’m amazed you’re having difficulty understanding the obvious flip flop here.
     
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    Soooooo - there has been whistleblowers from the Trump era that said they were pressured to change data.
     
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    Change data how? Up down, sideways. Context. And a source wouldn’t hurt.
     
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    There is no changing of data. Nothing she said here is different than what has been said for the last year.
     
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    false

    and all your posts here are another great example of how you’re just a liberal who denies being one...
     
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    I do enjoy a world where standing for the truth makes one a liberal!
     
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    What she said is not an example of a comorbidity death and has not been counted into COVID death statistics.
     
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    Really. If you think that the comment documented in this thread by the CDC does not contradict the COVID death count rules from last year, then you don’t have a clue what truth is. Maybe you should re-read it.
     
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    Show me the COVID death count rules form the last year then.

    A simple link will do.
     
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    COVID-19 death reporting guidelines...https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/coding-and-reporting.htm

    - If COVID-19 is determined to be a cause of death, it should be reported on the death certificate.
    - When reporting COVID-19 as a cause of death, use standard WHO terminology, such as “Coronavirus Disease 2019” or “COVID-19.”
    - Report pre-existing conditions that contributed to the death in Part II of the death certificate.

    Here it is more indepth. Highlight the parts that what she said in the OP contradict ...

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf
     
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    I already did. Post #23. Thanks.
     
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    This is hilarious. You didn't even read your own sources! :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
    "Other significant conditions that contributed to the death, but are not a part of the sequence in Part I, should be reported in Part II. Not all conditions present at the time of death have to be reported—only those conditions that actually contributed to death. Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance U.S. Department of Health and Human Services • Centers for Disease Control and Prevention • National Center for Health Statistics • National Vital Statistics System 2 Certifying deaths due to COVID–19 If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various lifethreatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it."

    IOW - if COVID triggered a death because a person had congenital heart failure, but theoretically could have lived with that condition absent COVID, you count them. This happened to include suicides and shark bites last year.

    NOW, if you have a mild case of COVID and you're hit by a train, it's the train's fault, not COVID.

    Of course, my examples are exaggerated just a tad to make my point, but that's the gist. But

    A complete 180 degree reversal by Biden's newly appointed CDC director.
     
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    It's not a conspiracy. It's on video. On CNN, one of your favorite news sources.
     
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    Not in this thread, apparently.
     
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    Nobody is counting shark bites as COVID deaths.

    Quit parroting the GOP talking points.
     
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    That's all I said ;)
     
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    That definition is a bit - shall we say, outdated. By a century or more.
     
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    Sorry for the late rebuttal, but your comment here is irrelevant. Thanks.
     
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    My opinion is based on simple fact and logic. Sorry.

    If someone was obese and had congenital heart failure, and a mild case of COVID pushed that condition over the edge last year, they were counted as a COVID death. Now the CDC director is saying, no, they died of a heart attack, not COVID. Hell, Washington had to revise their COVID death count to remove suicides, lol.

    This is not rocket science.
    This is not hard to understand.
    It is a reversal by the Biden administration.
     
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