CDC now saying comorbidity deaths NOT COVID deaths, lol.

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  1. yardmeat

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    Fake title.
     
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    Very much a fake title. The example given in the OP by the CDC is not an example of comorbidity.
     
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    No, it does not.

    She never said that comorbidity deaths NOT COVID deaths, this was made up. Not sure if by you or if by your source, but it is a lie.

    She gave a clear example of a death that was not due to a comorbidity. And you use that to claim that comorbidity deaths are now NOT COVID deaths.

    It makes no sense at all
     
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    The Trump administration says it will block Chinese passenger airlines from travelling to the United States starting on 16 June.
    Thanks. Biden called him racist for that.

    Thanks for making my point. If the deadly Wu Flu, which you and other liberals said was deadly, came from China (it damned well did) then it's not xenophobic. It's health policy. Thanks.

    Sure they did, because people fought Trump ALL THE WAY. And liberals fighting Trump (like Biden) helped spread COVID.
     
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    She said people who died with comorbidities did NOT die from COVID, lol. Literally, it's in the damned video I linked to which you keep ignoring and trying to defend.
     
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    Thanks for the red herring. My initial point still stands.

    Biden's new political hack in charge of the CDC is changing the rules. You've managed to attempt to derail the thread, but my initial point still stands.

    Thanks.
     
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    She did not.

    She did not even use that term at all.

    The person in her example would never have been called a COVID death
     
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    I quoted her, lol. It's in the article. You keep denying what she actually said in a VIDEO posted from CNN, and give no argumentation.

    You're just dishonestly trolling now. Thanks.
     
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    2.2 no longer applies as the liberal wing of government advocates the opposite.
     
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    I wonder how many times the leaders (so-called experts) will shoot themselves in the foot before people stop believing anything they say.
     
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    She never once said that comorbidity deaths are NOT COVID deaths, this is a lie.

    She never used the term comorbidity in your video from CNN at all.

    The only time the term is used is in your fake thread title.

    She used an example that was an example of a death in which COVID was not a comorbidity and would never have been considered a COVID death.
     
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    He gave you the relevant quote...

    "“Not all of those 223 cases who had COVID actually died of COVID. They may have had a mild disease, for example, but died of a heart attack, ”


    -The description in that quote where she discusses them having Covid (which she suggests may have been mild Covid), but dying of a heart attack, is in fact a textbook example of a comorbid condition. Whether she uttered the word comorbid is irrelevant. It is an accurate description regardless.

    -Your claim that she used an example that was an example of a death in which "COVID was not a comorbidity" is just plain false. Read the quote. Not all of those people that actually had Covid "died" of Covid. You are confused.
     
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    Again, I simply refer you to the link, where you can watch the VIDEO of her saying this - live - on CNN. Or the OP, where I transcribed it for you, lol. Good Lord.

    It's like a typical liberal attempt to split hairs here or move the goalpost - only you're not even taking the trouble to split the hairs, lol. You just claim you did and leave it at that.

    Amazing.
     
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    Which is the way it always been...nothing is changed.
     
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    Apparently now those aren't COVID deaths, according to the Biden appointee. Sorry.
     
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    This is not entirely true.

    Here is an article from Wisconsin where they are speaking with a medical examiner. He explains how he does NOT count a death with Covid as a Covid death unless it was caused by Covid, but he goes on to say that the state death numbers include both "deaths with covid" and death from covid" and adds them together to get to their total covid death number.

    https://www.wisn.com/article/covid-...edical-examiner-explains-difference/34909031#

    ..."The county's COVID-19 death total has been consistently lower than state's throughout the pandemic.
    The state's tally Tuesday showed 48 more deaths than the county's website.
    That's because Peterson's office counts only those that list COVID-19 as the cause of death.
    The state counts deaths from other causes, that also list COVID-19 among "other significant conditions" on the death certificate.
    "If you take my two sets, deaths from COVID, and death with COVID, and add them together, you get the state number," Peterson said. "So it's not so much my numbers are lower, they're just adding two different groups."




    ...You are only hearing what you want to hear and then ignoring what you do not want to hear. There are a great many deaths WITH Covid that are being counted in the overall number. This is not only happening in Wisconisn.
     
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    They never were
     
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    I mild case of COVID would not fall under "other significant conditions" unless the attending felt it helped lead to the death.

    If I got in a car wreck and died they are not going to list my COPD under other significant conditions because it had nothing to do with the death
     
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    LOL.....as I said.....you hear what you WANT to hear and then you ignore the rest. Covid is absolutely, 100% an "other significant condition". If you look at that same link, he also addresses this bogus notion you are putting forth...

    "He said just because someone dies with COVID-19, it doesn't mean they died of COVID-19.
    Peterson said it was an important distinction that separated his totals from the state's."
    https://www.wisn.com/article/covid-...edical-examiner-explains-difference/34909031#

    ...in other words HE only counts it in HIS numbers if the death was CAUSED by Covid. The state on the other hand, counts it if they died WITH Covid. He said this is an important distinction between how HE and the STATE count their respective numbers.
     
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    As I stated a thousand times, we will know how many actually died of Covid19 early 2022, thus, when the States/CDC will publish their final numbers of deaths, and causes of deaths.

    Until then, why argue?
     
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    Why? Because for a year, people told us Trump killed massive amounts of Americans, and fearmongered business shutdowns and mask mandates using all sorts of twisted, bizarre logic (like churches - closed, but strip clubs - open).

    And now the CDC Director just flip flopped on an entire year of propaganda because she's wanting to push the vaccines' safety. And I have no problem with saying the vaccine is largely safe, or that it largely prevents being infected again.

    Just don't do it by switching the rules for counting the score in the middle of the game.
     
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    Sure they were.
     
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    Which again has always been the case. You keep trying to twist his words into meaning something they do not.
     
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    See post 112...we have danced enough on this dead horse.
     
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    No facts in that post that support your point at all. See post #23, which shows they were. Thanks.
     

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