Florida man gets 8 months in prison in 1st felony sentence from Capitol riot

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Unfortunately you tend to run your own road blocks.
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    By storming the capital to stop the hearings, trapping Senators at elevators until they met their demands, causing them to leave go read up on it.

    There was no treason on Jan 6 do you even know what is treason?
     
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    For the sake of comparison, does anyone know how many people were arrested, what they were charged with and their sentences for the takeover of the Wisconsin capital? I know it was a while ago, but someone might remember.
     
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    Yeah that's pretty harsh for simply following the huge crowd, standing around for a few minutes and then leaving without causing any damage or harm to any person or thing.
     
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    Because from his perspective, no one was being shot, arrested, or driven out. There was no security present. I'm not excusing any of it to any degree. Just that everyone is an individual. As a Trump supporter, I'm ashamed of what they did. They set back the Republican American cause 250 years and sullied the Trump administrations accomplishments. Not to mention the toll in physical and psychological injuries to the Capitol Police. I would expect that type of behavior from Democrats because they don't care. And we see it in action almost every day on the news. But Republicans do care. That's why what they did is so shocking and shameful...at least to me.
     
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    You said
    As if that is not happening.
    OK?
     
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    Seeing that a judge popped him for discussing confidential information it is accurate despite your floundering
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes
     
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    No security? Someone was shot, windows were smashed in, doors broken and 150 police officers beaten up (17 still unable to return to work), so what on earth are you talking about?
     
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    Treason is the betrayal of ones country — Capital police allowing protesters into the building that had said they wanted to kill the VP classified as such.

    The building wasn’t stormed as visitors were allowed.
     
  11. Bluesguy

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    Treason is specifically defined in the Constitution and this certainly was NOT treason but your need to engage in your hyperbole is noted.
     
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    It's not Deblasio even announced the rioters and protestors there would not be proesecuted and our VP not only demanded the same but raised money to bail out the criminals.
     
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    Your opinion is not in evidence.

     
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    Well, then it is fortunate for the protesters that they did not declare a CHAZ, and may explain why they have not been prosecuted for insurrection.
     
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    What is your position on solitary confinement?
     
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    Any government official who may have tried to incite the protestors to violence in the Capitol should be investigated for treason - among other crimes.
     
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    depends if done to excess and to a point it's considered abuse or done responsibly

    personally, if I was in prison, no issue being in solitary confinement as long as they give me access to books to read - in fact, I would prefer it
     
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    What they were charged with is irrelevant.
    Their actions meet the legal criteria of an insurrection
     
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    Isn't this the same guy who's been held in solitary since that day?
     
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    Oh well...

    That's showbiz...

    If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, etc....
     
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    Is that a yes, no, or I don't know?
     
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    That might be my preference as well, but I think the press should have discovered and reported the details of these prisoners' extended confinement.

    Definition of inhuman treatment
    The term “inhuman treatment” is defined in the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court as the infliction of “severe physical or mental pain or suffering”.[22] The element that distinguishes inhuman treatment from torture is the absence of the requirement that the treatment be inflicted for a specific purpose. The International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia has used a wider definition determining that inhuman treatment is that which “causes serious mental or physical suffering or injury or constitutes a serious attack on human dignity”.[23] The element of “a serious attack on human dignity” was not included in the definition of inhuman treatment under the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court because the war crime of “outrages upon personal dignity” covers such attacks.[24]

    In their case-law, human rights bodies apply a definition which is similar to the one used in the Elements of Crimes for the International Criminal Court, stressing the severity of the physical or mental pain or suffering. They have found violations of the prohibition of inhuman treatment in cases of active maltreatment but also in cases of very poor conditions of detention,[25] as well as in cases of solitary confinement.[26]” (emphasis mine)
    INTERNATIONAL COMMITTEE OF THE RED CROSS, Rule 90. Torture and Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment,
    Rule 90. Torture, cruel or inhuman treatment and outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, are prohibited.,
    Volume II, Chapter 32, Section D.
     
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    No. Only the violent ones and those who were at flight risk were held.

    Tampa man granted bail in federal hearing after arrest in Capitol riot
    https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime...federal-hearing-after-arrest-in-capitol-riot/
    Paul Allard Hodgkins is the fourth Florida resident to go before a federal judge this week for charges stemming from their participation in the Jan. 6 mob.
     
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    It's a big place, the violence was at the front. No one who followed far enough back saw or experienced it. By the time they got there, it was done and gone. For us in hindsight, all of the negatives are vividly apparent due to a collection of videos and news reports. But for every individual their knowledge was limited to what was immediately around them. Large groups or gatherings are that way.
     
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