So much for herd immunity - 33% of ex-covid patients getting reinfected with Delta

If it was, even though it isn't, it would still have more basis in reality than all the bible verses you throw into these threads.

 

PLEASE, please, please...tell me that Ashton Kutchner is standing behind you ready to jump out and yell "Punk'd".

Ugh. Just ugh. Just ugh ugh.

 

The first vaccinations were free. Now I hear the vaccinated will have to pay for their boosters. Sounds like a typical toxic drug pushers' con game to give away the first "hit" to get you hooked. With the toxic covid vaccine, the penalty for NOT paying for more "hits" may be death.
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This is exactly what I was saying just a few days ago and several wanted to argue with me. However, even your 33% figure is low. It's actually around 50%, give or take 10%.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-wrecked-hopes-herd-155937283.html

"Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia and an expert in infectious diseases, told the committee: "The concept of herd immunity is unachievable because we know the infection will spread in unvaccinated populations and the latest data is suggesting that two doses is probably only 50 percent protective against infection."

 

It's not @CenterField's figure. That's the math of the specific numbers he's used in his cited example.

 

So you "heard" that. From Fox News? From InfoWars? From Breitbart?
The vaccines will remain free for Americans. If the FDA approves boosters, they'll be free.

 

What? My link has figures from cited examples - 50%. Double vaccinated people are only about 50% protected from Delta, something I have been saying for days while the left argued that the hard science only shows 1%. Even Centerfield had to change his number from 1% to 33%. In fact, I estimated somewhere between 33% and 90%, often using the figures around 40%-60%, which my figures wound up being spot on. Now I showed him that it is actually 50%. Centerfield made a post finally admitting that we can't reach herd immunity through vaccinations because the vaccinations aren't good enough to stop Delta, which is what I have been saying while lefties argued that's not the hard science. My science wound up being the correct science. But, I'm not really a genius. I'm just able to see what is right in front of my own eyes while others choose to sit around and learn the hard science months or years after the fact. Fortunately, in this case, the hard science came out just days after my science, proving that I was right.

Now that we know the truth, if we listen to it, we can make progress on Delta. But, we aren't going to do it if we require Covid passports to enter buildings, which are only for the vaccinated, even though 50% of the vaccinated get the virus and spread the virus. We are discriminating against the unvaccinated for no reason because the vaccinated spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do. It's all lefty political bullshit and you can bet the Biden administration and the MSM will quash this information because it doesn't further their agenda. It won't be on the 6:30 news tonight and Biden won't have any speeches regarding it. Broom time.

 

I wish I still had access to that article. It was about people already getting covid booster shots without CDC approval.

BTW... nothing is "free"... so far covid vaccines have cost billions of dollars of US taxpayers' money. Worldwide Big Pharma is probably ranking in trillions.

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Slow your roll please. Try to read what I'm writing instead of what you think I'm writing.

@CenterField posted some numbers concerning the stats of ex-COVID patients in Kentucky. (Post #1)
You responded saying his numbers were off (Post #29).
I replied to tell you that those were NOT *his* estimates, but the math for the example he provided (Post #30)
You came back with *other* information about other cases in this latest response.

I understand that you're stressed about these numbers but you don't seem all that willing to actually listen to what anybody else is saying. His numbers are correct because they reflect the statistical data for the cases he was talking about. That is completely separate from anything else we see and hear about these new Delta cases. That's all he did - posted about ONE snapshot of cases in Kentucky. He didn't say that was across the board or the total numbers. That's not what he posted.

 

Oh that's a different situation - if someone is paying out of pocket for a non-approved 3rd dose. How disingenuous of you to suggest otherwise... like approved boosters will be for a charge.

Yes, it's tax-payer's money, and yes, the companies are making a profit. So what? Without these companies we'd have a world without vaccines. Welcome to your child dying of polio or measles.

 

I understand that. But, it was just days ago when he wouldn't even acknowledge snaphots as being real. They were just snapshots and if you look at the big picture with all the numbers these snapshots still only translated into only 1% of breakthrough cases. Now he seems to be acknowledging the truth in that even if 100% were vaccinated it would not stop the spread of Delta. I just assumed that he was now acknowledging that breakthrough cases were much, much higher that 1% and might even be acknowledging that they could be as high as 33% if this particular snapshot were actually the true big picture numbers and I was posting back that the big picture numbers are actually around the 50% mark. It was HE who actually refused to listen to anything I had to say because he was the big professional with the hard science and I was just a layman.

I still say that this latest news will be quashed by both the Biden administration and the MSM so that they continue pushing their agenda that breakthrough cases are only 1% and leftist governments and businesses will continue with their vaccine passports, not allowing the unvaccinated in, allowing only the vaccinated in, where 50% of them could be spreading the virus. Continue blaming the unvaccinated for the spread even though the hard science now proves that the vaccinated spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do, maybe even more because there are more vaccinate than unvaccinated.

 

Exactly. And when 557 asked for extrapolation and completion of these numbers, I said, I don't know because the numbers are what they are in this one study. To which I linked, so these are not *my* numbers since I'm not one of the authors of the study.

 

Do you have any kind of stress relief hobbies?

 

Well, I'm literate so that helps.

 

I always thought the goal wasn't eradicating the virus but to minimize it?

 

That's accurate.

The problem is basically people (in general, nobody specific) are *interpreting* the vaccine as a CURE-ALL/FIX ALL/DON'T NEED TO BE CAREFUL kind of deal so some have become less careful, or even reckless.

Now that we know previously infected people AND vaccinated people can catch and spread the virus (especially Delta)...it's all too much to bear from some. So, we're back to the sky is falling.

 

I think it's more like;

If I'm vaccinated and the chances of me getting delta or any variant right now is around 90-95 percent and the chances of me getting critically ill are much less than that...i'm ****ing over it now.

A fully vaccinated person can still carry the virus. Since that's the case the virus will still mutate. And we are now going to perpetually have to deal with this gd thing until the end of time or until we find a cure all for virus's.

As such the risk/reward of living life more normal now that I'm vacc'd is a risk I'm willing to take now. And if you are not...then stay in your home and get out of my way.

 

Correct. We all have to make the choices we think are best in our own lives.

My comments are from more widespread experiences with people from all age groups and areas, not just me and my close connections. For example, there is a senior home in my area. They brought in staff and instructed all the residents to place a chair in front of their door to hold it open. They would come around, give them the vaccination and others would make rounds to watch the vaccinated to make sure there wasn't any kind of adverse reaction. I don't know the exact numbers but it's estimated that at least 30-35% of them declined the vaccination.

Some of the men from a local homeless shelter like to hang out and do drugs and drink. They refused to socially distance or use any of their drinking/drug money to buy masks. Some of the women that hang around those guys got it and continued to bed hop. Many of them got COVID and outright refused to quarantine, socially distance or wear masks even after that.

There is only one hospital in my area so guess where I would be if I had a medical emergency? I have absolutely no interest in being where sick people congregate. It doesn't make me paranoid or afraid of my shadow or anything but responsible. I have enough medical experience that I've been able to treat myself at home and have even put in my own stitches when it came to that. I reset a broken finger and broken toe (I am a fall risk) without help. I've kept my kids completely healthy their whole lives without much need for medical intervention.

I'm not going to unnecessarily expose myself to my dumbass neighbors unless I absolutely have to. Thus far, that has NOT had to happen.

I lost 2 family members to COVID in January and I have a friend that developed a vaccine injury from the COVID vaccination. The stats don't really matter when you're on the wrong side of them. I have two young children and an elderly mother. My father just passed from cancer right before Father's Day so I've got all kinds of concerns in all directions and on both sides.

But, at the end of the day, I'll end this exactly like I started it...We all have to make the choices we think are best in our own lives.

 

Having said all that, I think it is probably best that governments start setting up full time "deal with covid patients" structures/buildings. As this is never going to go away. Much better to do that, then to shut down the ****ing economy again.

Just accept the new reality and fit COVID into it.

 

That might have to happen. It was crazy around here last year. There were people literally yelling at the WalMart manager because they locked the dressing rooms, taped off the clothing section and shut down the garden center. It was like these people were dropped in from another planet and had NO idea what was happening around the world. I personally intervened when people were pushing and grabbing things around seniors. The manager got sick of it and now ONLY seniors can shop between 7-8A. It should have never come to that.

I just wish there were more like us - responsible enough to not contribute to the problem.

 

That is great as long as you (mistakenly) think that the only problem with this virus is death. I wish. This virus has a high potential for severe organ damage in several organs, including in survivors, including in mild cases, and even including in certain asymptomatic cases, to alarming degrees, quoted as at least 20% of all cases in the studies that underestimate it the most; certain studies will go as high as 38%, and there is even one that found 75% of myocarditis (I linked to it here, several times).

Until it is verified that a breakthrough infection (meaning, an infection in a fully vaccinated person) will not cause this kind of sequelae (say, an endothelial lesion that 3 months later will result in a fatal stroke), I'll remain cautious. But you do you. If you feel that you and your loved ones will be just peachy as long as you don't die, and nobody will get cognitive problems, pulmonary fibrosis with permanent shortness of breath, deep venous thrombosis with pulmonary embolism and stroke, myocarditis with a potential for heart failure down the road in a few years, new onset diabetes due to destruction of beta pancreatic cells, a curtailed life span and blunted productivity, and so on and so forth, then go right ahead and behave with reckless abandon. Enjoy it while you can because if you or one of your loved ones do get one or more of these increasingly frequent sequelae, it won't be as fun.

People who think that the only problem with the SARS-CoV-2 is the black-and-white situation that whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger despite mounting evidence of a high potential for permanent organ damage, are playing with fire. This virus is best avoided, until the time when it hopefully weakens in subsequent mutations (hasn't happened yet; much the opposite), or we get a highly efficient broad-spectrum vaccine (there is some work being done on it), or we find an antiviral that treats it efficiently before it gets serious (there are a few that look promising).

Oh, and by the way, mutations are not likely to occur in fully vaccinated people unless they are immunocompromised. Mutations typically occur when the virus lingers in someone's organism, and the vaccinated tend to clear the virus faster. If we were to vaccinate more people or almost all people, the likelihood of mutations would drop. Unfortunately it's not really something we can control because even if we vaccinate 100% of our population (an impossible task) mutations would still happen in the unvaccinated Third World and would come back to bite us.

Yep, the SARS-CoV-2 is likely here to stay, and will be endemic. For now, I'm not ready yet to lower the guard until things get to be better known.

 

Is it okay if I send you a private message?

 

Here you go buddy! Found a mask that ABSOLUTLEY works and looks absolutely ridiculous. This is much more effective then your n95 masks or face shield or even standing 6 feet apart. (because it prevents you from accidently rubbing covid into your eyes/nose/mouth ears) You can't access your covid laced smart phone to your face. All you need to do is wash your hands thoroughly after you take it off.

You won't buy it however because you really are not as scared or cautious about covid as you just claimed to be

https://www.vyzrtech.com/products/biovyzr

 

sure

 

@CenterField is NOT scared of COVID. He is heartbroken from watching his patients and colleagues die of COVID or develop long-term side-effects as a frontline hospital doctor. His wife is also a doctor who does the same tireless work all of our frontline medical care providers are doing and have been doing tirelessly for 19+ months now.

One of my friends is an RN and he contracted COVID on Saturday from a patient. He has 9 children (all adopted) and has to be away from them until he can pull through.

I wondered why you were so flippant about Australia taking a strong position to stop the spread but now it just seems that you want to argue and taunt for no real reason.