So much for herd immunity - 33% of ex-covid patients getting reinfected with Delta

250 out of 738 ex-Covid patients in Kentucky got re-infected with the Delta variant. That's 33%. This includes 20% of them who had been fully vaccinated on top of having had a previous bout of Covid-19 (although for the unvaccinated, it was even worse). Obviously Delta has defeated all possible hope of herd immunity. Not that I was optimistic for it before; I've been saying that herd immunity by now is an impossible dream, but this kind of proves it.

https://www.mdedge.com/obgyn/articl...ccination-may-cut-risk-covid-reinfection-half

 

This is like watching a horror movie 24/7. God knows I'm weary of it all.

 

So, 80% were unvaccinated. Still sounds like a good idea, and your article title confirms it (can't open the full article)

 

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Tribulation.

Lukewarm Christians will find out the hard way there is no "rapture" from the tribulation.


For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:21-22

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The immunity from corona viruses only last so long, whether by having previously having had the disease, or the vaccine.

By some estimates the protective effect might only be for 3 months.

 

Most estimates get to 6 months.
We may need new and updated vaccines every six months.
If this continues to go like this, we may have a better hope of the virus mutating to a weaker version (which is often the case for viruses but hasn't been the case for the SARS-CoV-2 so far) than of the vaccines being able to stop it.

 

Mother Nature is trying to get rid of us, pesky humans. We're a disease.

 

Don't get discouraged. I know it's tough. I can't imagine what you face every single day at the hospital. It's going to be okay. We just have to keep trying. We suriviors.

 

Is that what they teach now in cultural marxist public schools ?

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I wouldn't know. I never attended a cultural marxist public school.

 

No idea. What are they teaching in your......meetings?

 

Vaccinations every 6 months? And they think they have problems with some of the lab rats balking now....

 

*facepalm*

It's going to be a nightmare.

 

Is there any way to access the data on breakthrough infections in vaccinated but previously uninfected Kentuckians in the same time frame? It would be interesting to know how much better protection a combination of natural and vaccine induced immunity is vs. vaccine alone.

 

Good question.

I wonder, though, if this is even measurable. Remember when Fauci said it's not known how much protection natural immunity lasts in recovered COVID patients? That would imply different people develop varying levels of immunity (or he's just a pathological liar <--that's my best -- that killed any credibility he might have held for being the highest paid Federal employee and resident "expert".

Also, there is a HUGE unknown within that group (recovered from COVID). Asymptomatic and untested people could have developed the natural immunity without knowing they were infected.

Within that group (recovered, asymptomatic and untested), people could have developed the long-term effect(s) (ie. heart problems, organ damage, etc.). Unless those conditions present *differently* than they would for someone with the condition unrelated to COVID, how would they be differentiated?

Following that train...how much protection can a booster provide versus natural immunity once a person has recovered from Delta?

How much natural protection does a recovered COVID-19/recovered Delta provide in never-vaccinated subgroups?

And, how given the lifespan of each variant, and, period until the next variant, how many boosters do we expect to need until it runs its course? Every 6 months? Every three months? Every month? What is the anticipated life cycle of these variants (because we obviously won't reach herd immunity with the low vaccination rates so how long does this "loop" of vax-variant-booster-next variant push us farther away from that possibility?

And, then, of course, there is always the theory that it's all crazy talk and this is just designed to keep the economy destabilized (and, I guess, make a ton of vaccine manufacturers very, very rich) but let's figure out the first part first.

 

Herd immunity will never be reached with the vaccines. They do not produce immunity memory like natural immunity does. Vaccines may actually exacerbate infections due to ADE.

 

Not that I know, the data on this report is what it is. I'm sure this info is available in Kentucky but I don't have access to it.

 

It's a novel disease. Research is ongoing. We don't have the answers to these questions, yet, but we will. As for the last paragraph, that's nonsense. Why would we want our economy to remain destabilized?

 

Thanks. I thought about trying to put it all together but don’t have time today.

 

Looking forward to it.

Did you happen to notice the adjective in that sentence?

There are many posters here who are not only convinced about "widespread election fraud", the truly believe Fauci & Co. did this just to hurt Trump. Trump doesn't need help making a fool of himself.

 

We know a lot more than Fauci is letting on. We know memory B cell differentiation after natural infection continues after recovery and is actually better after 6 months post infection than 3 months post infection. We know from past research B cell differentiation is affected by presence of antigen say in the intestines long after active infection has cleared. There are many reasons including the fact subunit vaccines often don’t elicit long term immunity that natural infection may end up playing a big part in whatever herd immunity we end up with.

We talked the other day about T cells and how that aspect of long term protection from severe disease is mostly ignored today. I’ve been saying since last year that was a mistake. We may/probably will end up with depending on post infection clearance of infection by memory B and T cells instead of permanent neutralizing antibody titers preventing infection. Before delta, neutralizing antibodies looked like they were going to turn the trick.

It’s a very complex subject and you’ve asked good questions that have more answers than many admit, but not absolute clear cut answers.

 

So how do they explain the pandemic also hitting 209 other countries where there is no Trump and no Fauci? Incredible, no?

 

Oh. It sounds like you think I'm multi-lingual. I speak English and some Spanish. I don't speak Crazy or Stupid.

 

Whatever herd immunity we end up with? We may very well end up with none. Delta delivered a big blow to herd immunity, with its capacity to reinfect the previously infected people, the previously vaccinated people, and even the people who had both the disease and the vaccines... and Delta is not the last variant... they keep coming. Lambda is here already.

There is no herd immunity to the flu. The influenza virus mutates fast and reinfects everybody. This may be the case for this coronavirus as well.

Sure, cellular immunity will help. But that can be limited too. If what the B memory cells remember is a specific version of the spike protein, and subsequent viruses have very different spike proteins, when the plasma cells start producing antibodies, they may produce inadequate antibodies. Cell immunity can also kill infected cells but this is not as fast to control the virus as neutralizing antibodies. There is also the issue of original antigenic sin. Subsequent reaction to a mutated virus may be corrupted by the immune system focusing on the original antigen and having trouble shifting to the new one. Remember that I linked to an article about it, in a thread I started?