So much for herd immunity - 33% of ex-covid patients getting reinfected with Delta

OK, fair enough. Probably in people with very good and competent immune system.

 

There is a lot of doom and gloom in this thread especially regarding the Delta variant. I don't think that it is as bad as that. My reasons? The UK is getting hit hard by the Delta variant and reporting high numbers even though the AZ vaccine has been impressive. BUT many probable positive cases are not being reported or confirmed. Reasons? Many people have turned off the track and trace app. Many people who have been in contact with positive cases are not testing themselves because they don't want to have to go into isolation if they turn out to be positive. I know many people in my age range who now refuse to be tested after being in contact with a positive case. Even if they develop symptoms they won't get a test, those that test positive won't tell the authorities who they mixed with last weekend because they don't want their friends to be forced into isolation for 10 days.

In conclusion, the reported number of positive cases is much lower than in reality. The vaccine has been excellent in reducing hospitalization and deaths

 

Why is this reassuring?
Yes, we know very well that the vaccine has been excellent in reducing hospitalization and death.
But it is concerning to see a variant reinfect and result in breakthrough infections.
The next variant may be even worse.

 

For those who argued that vaccines don't curtail mutations, they do, and here is a paper on it:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.08.21261768v2

 

I look at Delta as a brand new virus. I want Biden to do what Trump did and use Warp Speed to get us all a new solution.
Biden whined over the Trump vaccine, so Biden show us your stuff. Do as Trump did and have us all a correct vaccine by Late November.

 

Fauci has lied. Biden is not in charge. What makes you think Fauci is right this moment?

 

What the hell are you talking about? Do you actually think I get my information from Fauci????

 

Pfizer said today they can come up with a Delta-tuned vaccine in 100 days *after* regulators give them the green light (approval for trials is needed, etc.).
So it will still be a while.
Yes, I'd like to see the FDA moving faster on this. As of now the FDA hasn't even granted Pfizer full approval rather than EUA, which at this point is absurd, after their vaccine has been distributed to hundreds of millions of people with good efficacy and safety.
Pfizer doesn't really need a lot of governmental support. They are huge and very rich (500 billion dollars of annual operating budget, 50 billion annual profits) - but they could use less red tape to get their efforts approved and authorized faster.
I think you are right about that. The Biden Administration should move faster on this.

 

I think you ARE Fauci and you are here just to confuse people. But we will keep that between us.

 

LOL, funny. Given that Fauci already counts on the most well-diffused platforms ever, why would he be interested in this obscure political forum?
Pray tell, in which way am I confusing?

 

Oh come on, let's cook up a good conspiracy. That way they'll listen.

 

That reminds me of Dragnet.

Just the vax ma'am.

 

Trump would have had them doing this when Delta showed up. Biden is still goofing off.
Trump only paid Pfizer to get a guarantee we in America would get ours sooner and not later. We got ours earlier than Germany got theirs.

 

Fauci is very busy defending his own lack of actions plus some actions that harmed our own country.

 

Smart man to not pay attention to Fauci.

 

Doc Fauci does good work putting out factual information. It's the wingnut propaganda machine that sets out to confuse people, all too often by cherry-picking the words of Dr. Fauci!

 

Poor Fauci sold Trump out and now he can't protect Biden. Poor baby.

 

Yes, I'm growing more and more disappointed in the Biden administration in terms of Covid response.

I was hoping for a total revolution, Defense Production Act invoked for massive domestic production of PPE, intense campaign on TV and the web about the right kinds of masks and how to wear them (including distribution of high quality respirators to the population), intense campaign on TV to demonstrate the efficacy and safety of the vaccines and to counter misinformation spread by anti-vaxxers, acceleration of related research (is mixing and maxing vaccines a good strategy for humoral and cellular immunity? Can we look into antibody markers more strongly to verify the need for boosters? Can we come up with a broad spectrum second-generation vaccine that would target all variants?), faster approval for children 5 to 12, cash incentives for people to get the vaccine like $100 per person, a sympathetic approach with no mandates but rather strong education on masks and vaccines, and so on and so forth...

Instead, what we got was Walensky prematurely celebrating victory and issuing disastrous guidelines for no masks while it was abundantly clear that Delta was coming... then when the mistake was clear, the CDC went back but issued confusing guidelines related to level of community transmission in thousands of counties, something regular people don't even know how and where to verify what their county's situation is... Decent distribution of vaccines but no clear strategy to get more people on board after the low-hanging fruit of the ones who really wanted it got vaccinated... the FDA still stalling regarding full approval, when we are 8 months from market insertion of the vaccines, and at least 2 more months since the end of the trials, so, we have 10 months worth of data when for full approval only 6 months are needed, so WTF are they still waiting for???

Sure, full approval needs close scrutiny of all adverse events but that's why one does a rolling review and if necessary allocate resources and hire more people to make it faster.

The vaccine is now widely available everywhere (pharmacies are taking walk-in appointments, no questions asked) but it won't magically get into the arms of the hesitant folks.

Israel, Germany, the UK and France are recommending boosters already.

While we started by being one of the world leaders in early vaccination, now we're falling behind.

Yes, we need Operation Warp Speed 2.0, and instead, nothing really substantial is being done.

 

Your analysis hit the nail on the head. Gave me things to also think about.

 

The Biden plan was never anything more than the Trump plan. It always was. The left just couldn't see it because they hated Trump so much. The left put too much stock in words with no meaning, political words used to win a campaign. Empty words. The Biden plan was all about taking credit for the Trump vaccine and hoping it would be the end all when rolled out.

Now Biden has learned (well, maybe not) that the virus "is what it is" and that we are all back to square one all over again because the vaccines are only 50% effective against Delta. As you said, they were popping the cork on the champagne bottle while Delta ravaged the world, being spread even by the vaccinated. They spent way too much time belittling the unvaccinated and making them public enemy number one as Delta was spreading, instead of putting most of their energies into explaining that yes, even though the vaccines aren't effective against Delta (Greene was suspended from Twitter for telling that truth) but that it does greatly reduce hospitalizations and deaths. It was more important to them to spread misinformation for political purposes that the rise in cases was the fault of the unvaccinated, even as the vaccinated were spreading the virus.

Even knowing what we know now, Biden and the left bury their heads in the sand and continue to blame everything on the unvaccinated. Vaccine passports are now required to enter many places where apparently only the vaccinated are allowed to go, even though they know that the vaccinated spread it just as much as the unvaccinated do. Politics and ideology trump science and medicine. The left used Covid for political advantage during the election are are now caught with their pants down because that is all they knew what to do with Covid - use it for their politics and ideology.