Children and masking

Just for kicks I googled "Does Desantis's kids attend a school with a mask mandate". No such results.

Regardless, it's a derailment in pursuit of a political 'point'.

The fact is, he is "forcing" no one to wear a mask except his own children (assuming it's even true, I could find nothing to support it...) A choice he supports for all parents.

 

Condolences.

 

that is true of all viruses, you know that right?

the vaccine teaches your body to fight off the virus, if you do get it, it doesn't create a bubble around you

Trump supporters latest argument is that you can still get the virus after you take the vaccine, so you should not even bother training your body to fight the virus with the vaccine

you can still go to war after you train our military, guess we should just stop training them too

 

I'm saying it's very likely.

On the mask are germs of the virus right? (on those of the infected and possibly ones picked up by the non infected, in the air)
It can be spread by air as well as on surfaces, right? Well, whats to stop transmission if you touch that mask, have virus on your fingers and touch surfaces others will touch, as well?

Then it stands to reason they can be a big vector of transmission. Especially when so many touch them, so frequently.

 

Actually, that's incorrect. It's plainly false. The polio virus isn't the same. There were no animal reservoirs for polio outside of laboratories. Same for small pox. Mutation rates are lower for polio and small pox, and the structure of the virus is different. So you're just spouting unscientific BS here.

 

Thanks. Of course, their circle is older. None of them have died, thankfully. I wish I knew which vaccine they had taken.


I personally took the J&J one, because it only required one stick and not the inconvenience of waiting and going to get a second jab. I'm fairly certain mom and her husband had the mRNA version (i.e. not the J&J version) but can't speak to what version the folks in her circle had. They're all 70+ years of age.

 

Delta survives longer than original COVID outside the human body, too. So does Lambda. Which is to be expected, given the trillions of generations of viruses that can occur in a short period of time. Variants that survive shorter periods of time than the original COVID don't spread as quickly. That's the pigeon hole principle. The strong survive, and that's true for viruses, too.

 

That being the case, I'd be surprised if the improper use of masks are not causing the virus to spread by surface contamination.

But I truly do not expect mainstream medical science to touch (pun fully intended....) the topic with a ten ft pole.

You know how ego can cause some Dr.s (* cough cough, paging Dr Fauci....) to not admit to mistakes or even a temporary lack of understanding understanding of the big picture? Now multiply that by the mainstream medical community.

 

However.....IF..... all of these practices are conducted properly and that's a big if....
Other than that caveat? You'll here no argument from me.

We can't even get adults to throw the damn things in the trash....some adults you cant even get to shower regularly. I'm not saying just give up, only pointing out human flaws.

 

Even if masks sometimes work - and I think they probably prevent a small percentage of COVID spread, but not much - you have to take into account that masks create a false sense of security. I wore my mask, therefore I'm all good. That's not the case.

I can run through the entire lecture again about how masks don't stop the disease, are like putting up a chain link fence to stop mosquitos, or the fact that people pick their nose, touch solid surfaces and then their face under their masks, etc., but you will never convince the totalitarian left that masks are a poor solution, and NOT a long term solution.

So then, all you have left are vaccines. Which, different from polio and small pox, merely mask the symptoms, but don't always stop the spread.

 

I really must go to bed, I'm up very late. I'll revisit this thread later.

 

Dear god stop and think for a second would you?

You're arguing that he's being hypocritical for not pulling his kid out of a school because he disagrees with one single rule they have. If every parent pulled their kids from a school in which they found a single rule they disagreed with, then no parents would put their kids in any school...ever. You're NEVER going to agree with every single rule a school has. But, when you're an adult, you follow the rules which is what he's doing. Isn't it possible that he feels his kids are getting a good education? Isn't it possible that he feels that school hopping isn't what's best for his kids? Isn't it possible that following a rule he disagrees with is worth it for the sake of his kids education?

Is all of that really so hard to believe?

 

How much do they actually slow it down? Of the millions of people wearing masks for millions of minutes across millions of places - we have no data on how many times someone actually comes into contact with someone sneezing in their face - which is where masks are supposed to work. The BEST we can do - if we're anally diligent - is figure out where you got COVID.... maybe. Now how, not from whom in most cases...

Masks - if you're wearing the right kind properly - might prevent someone who has to treat a COVID patient from getting COVID - and in those situations, masks make sense.

Do they make sense driving in your car by yourself? Meh.

I can count the number of times I've been sneezed on directly in my life on one hand. And I'm approaching middle age. Surely school teachers have a different experience than mine. I'm not discounting that.

The COVID virus can live for what - several days on uncleaned nonporous surfaces?

• Glass – 5 days.
• Wood – 4 days.
• Plastic & stainless-steel – 3 days.
• Cardboard – 24 hours.
• Copper surfaces – 4 hours.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/how-long-will-coronavirus-survive-on-surfaces/

Masks don't stop that effectively. You touch the counter at your convenience store while you're picking up your beer or taco, and then get in your car and take your mask off and rub your nose. Boom, COVID. Nobody sneezed on you. COVID wasn't in the air. It was on the counter from the guy in line before you who, despite the mask, wiped his slightly runny nose then stuck his nonporous credit card into the CC machine, rested his snotty hand on the counter, and touched the stainless steel door handle on the way out.

We don't have data on how much COVID spreads through the air. Masks address that - to a small extent. COVID can live on the counter, door handles, and other surfaces for days. Doesn't have to be in the air.


I'm trying to be practical here. Masks Forever isn't a solution. They're not even working well now.

 

Ask Cruz and DeSantis, since it seems their kids are mandated to wear them. They would have 1st hand knowledge.

 

Continued partisan deflection noted.

 

I agree, masks can reduce the spread while not stopping it.
So, they only are needed to stop the healthcare system form overloading? But the only way to make covid near non existent is to get the virus or get vaccinated, correct?
Masking isn't the answer to ending covid, just a means to slow its growth in the population.

 

Odd. That was my 1st post in the thread. LOL. Mr partisan I believe in THE BIG LIE.

 

Can you unjumble that for the folks that speak English here?

 

Because, Mr Hyper Partisan, it's do as I say, NOT as I do!!