Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

Conception is the point at which a human life begins to develop. Again, why are you denying science?

Life that existed 4.28 billion years ago is irrelevant to the human abortion debate. Now you're committing an equivocation fallacy about what we're talking about. It's not "life in general" it's individual human lives. Thanks.

 

Most of these pro-lifers have a rather limited knowledge of biology. They seem to think conception is an instant, instead of a process that takes hours.

So, exactly where in that process is the human being created?

If they say it's when the chromosones merge ... oops, that doesn't happen until the second cell division. And "life begins at the second cell division" just doesn't have the right ring to it.

 

This is just getting ridiculous. A sperm by itself will never be a human being. It will stay a human sperm.

Yes, the beginning step, lol. Because... science.

 

How long conception takes is not relevant to our argument.

 

Mentioning the law and custom when discussing law and custom would not be a fallacy. It would be directly addressing the topic.

You're the one trying to overturn a standard that has stood for millenia. In order to do that, you have to do better than "BECAUSE I SAY SO!". And so far, that's all you've offered.

Ah, the irony. He complains about question begging, then engages in it blatantly. I'm sure you don't realize it, though, given you've never thought about this issue critically.

 

Yes you claim there is some science as to "person" and "viability" and I proved otherwise. There is no scientific standard or measure of "viability" and it's a false argument anyway. I just born baby is not "viable" by your standards. Again a baby is just born and the mid-wife puts it on a table and everyone walks away, how viable is it?

I posted the science, why are you anti-science and now anti-English language.

 

Given that I'm just repeating your argument, I'd tend to agree.

And a zygote by itself will never be a human being.

Don't worry too much. Most pro-lifers are poor at biology, and at logic.

 

So why do you make up such nonsense....................discuss what I post.

Made up personhood is irrelevent to everything. A person is a human being, the life in the womb is a human being. You can't wish away that humanity with arbitrary terms.

 

I'm still trying to find out what happens to the two-thirds of fertilized eggs that die before implantation, or shortly thereafter. Do they go to heaven? Anybody?

Science tells us that Christians believe they will meet people in heaven whose total human existence involved being flushed down the toilet. At a 2:1 ratio of born people.

^^^ science tells us that this certain Christian belief that life begins at conception is totally whacko

 

Yes it does unique to itself and and to the limit of our current testing, which constantly gets better, down to the billionth. That new human life is a complete diploid organism, an living being, a human being, a human baby.

 

It's just sealing off one of your escape avenues.

I've already destroyed your "but it could turn into a person!" standard, by pointing out that standard absolutely applies to sperm and eggs.

In response, you could try an arguement that there's some specific physical quality of the zygote that bestows personhood. Pointing out conception is a long process kills such an argument.

 

Another one trying the "I DEFINE MYSELF AS CORRECT, AND I DEFINE YOU AS A MURDERER" argument.

 

In your imagination only.

Nope. You haven't. Again, an unfertilized egg never becomes a human. Sorry. That's science. But you do have a vivid imagination.

Why would I need to argue that? Life begins at conception. Thanks.

 

Try to stay on topic and being more specific

How many abortions are conducted each year because without the abortion the mother would die? What percentage?

 

Given that every human can trace their development back to an unfertilized egg, that statement is very clearly false.

You've gone contrarian now, saying "IS NOT!" to simple facts, so you've become uninteresting.

 

I have no need for your "admittance" about me, how about yourself?

 

What part about unfertilized is difficult for you to grasp, lol? Can you show me a human egg that has never been fertilized that is now walking around town on its own? Thanks.

 

I'm the only one quoting science. I can't call it what I want our common language calls it what it is a human being at the unborn baby stage of life. It is you who believes can tell others they cannot use that common language. Why is that?

I bolded and made it large because it appears you missed it. I don't make up the definitions of words so no I can't call the baby in the womb what I want I properly use our language and call the baby in the womb what our common language says it is, a baby.

I'm not the one trying to change science that is you and others I am the only one quoted the science and medical textbooks when it comes to the science. Others can engage in their emotional appeals by trying to pretend it is just a blob of cells and not human and not a human life therefore it's OK to kill the baby. I stick with the science and the facts and the common language, it that somehow effects you emotional I can't help it, perhaps you should do a little internal deliberation as to why it does.

 

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Thank you for agreeing with me and supporting my premise that AGAIN, slaves had their right to bodily autonomy taken away EXACTLY what Anti-Choicers want to do to women...

And , of course, you will not say or prove how I "misrepresented"" your post....just repeat it as if it were true and hope someone believes you...

 

I define my position by the science not by me, try refuting it and addressing what I actual say and not put words in mouth, I don't debate things I don't say.

 

""""I stick with the science and the facts and the common language,""

LOL...so in your world science calls ZEFs watermelons, buns in the oven , and princesses???....LOLOL.....

 

Whatever. Abortions are outright banned after 12 weeks in Uruguay, for example, and women have to go through a psych eval before being forced to see the fetus via sonogram before they are allowed to abort the pregnancy. If the mother starts this process but doesn't finish before those 12 weeks are up, she still cannot abort the child.

This TX law is not anything to REEEE over imo.

 

And that begs the question what happens in the birth cancel that makes a fundamental physical change to the baby?

First yes, the other two no those are science based and science says that the life of the human, the human being begins at conception as I have already cited from the medical textbooks.

Of course it is, the uterus and womb and planceta were specifically designed and created by nature to insure babies separate and individual from the mother else babies could not survive in the womb.

 

What? Are you really this confused between science terminology and our common language?

So in your world when a friend sees her newly announce pregnant friend does she say "OH I hear you have a ZEF in there"? Or a few weeks later calls her anbd says "just wanted to see how the doctor said your fetus is doing". Does the mother call her husband over and say "come feel our little fetus is kicking".

Is that REALLY the language you use?

And since the ZEF is your only concern and the ZEF stage of a human life only last about 4 days are you saying that abortions can only occur during the first four days else why do you ONLY want to talk about the ZEF stage and nothing more?

 

Lol, well you do the best you can. If you can't fulfill platinum, fall back to gold. We don't call it platinum but the same principle is essential to medical ethics. It's called informed consent. You have to ask what people want after you give them the facts. You don't just assume they'll want the surgery because it is, in your view, the best option. But in emergency situations where the person is alone and unconscious and you can't ask them what they want you do the surgery if delaying the surgery means harm that most people would want to avoid.

Respecting people's preferences that differ from own does not make them narcissistic, it makes them their own person.