As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

Bet your asteroid I trust the cdc and every medical research facility in the US…..and even Mitch after he changed his mind. Why are you so slow……in coming around.

 

Even whey they lie to you? I get it. You trust government.

 

The FDA commissions studies from many in the medical community to follow up on those from drug companies. The reason that Gov fast track the vaccines, was to cut down on the follow up studies from the gov affiliated and commission research from places like JHU. So yes, we sometimes have to trust the druggy community. It seems they were right and spot on in their predictions……unlike you and Tucker.

 

Well, not the gop run facilities. Trump kept down rating what they said. You remember….covid will be gone in spring. The cdc was right, he was wrong. As if we didn’t know.

 

Pick out ONE LIE and a source for your assertion from Fauci or the cdc.

 

There are no facts that alter it. Only your Tuckerisms.

 

My son was told to get the vaccination later that day on 9/15 or face a dishonorable discharge. He had just recovered from and came off of quarantine from having covid 4 days earlier. How is that not a mandate?

 

Yes it’s a mandate. The military mandates lots of things, like obeying orders.
Because natural immunity is no where near as strong as vaccinated immunity.

 

I've had antibodies for 14 months. I am tested for antibodies every 8 weeks when I give blood. Twice, I've worked all day in close proximity with a coworker, ate lunch with them, and shook their hand at the end of the day and then they tested positive for covid a couple of hours later. One of them almost died. I had no ill effects. I'll take my natural immunity over your vaccination any day of the week. My cousin was vaccinated in January. She had a harder time with covid than I did.

https://thefederalist.com/2021/08/2...nity-is-13x-stronger-than-pfizer-covid-shots/

I have no problem with you getting vaccinated if that's what YOU want. If I had health issues or hadn't already had the antibodies, I might have considered the vaccine myself.

 

You mean you’re actually going to do what I want ? I thought Texans had more will power. OK, go get vaccinated.

 

Seeing how the US in the grip of pharma. No wonder we are doing so badly.

 

Ah, masks for one.

 

I know you don’t
I can do the copy paste thing too.
Trials sponsored by drug companies are highly regulated.
Medical centers conduct the trials…..even JHU advertises that patients can be part of trials run by them but financed by drug companies.

How Are Study Subjects’ Rights and Safety Protected?

• The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is the government agency that is responsible for research studies. It regulates the conduct of research studies, enforces the laws on the use of drugs, and must approve all new drugs before they are available to the general public.
• In every university or medical center, the Institutional Review Board (IRB) reviews any study that may be done in that location. The IRB is composed of physicians and lay people. They review the study protocol to make sure patients’ rights are protected and that there are no unnecessary risks in the study. Any physician awarded a research study must get approval from the IRB before beginning the study.
• Participants are required to sign an “informed consent” form, which is also signed by the investigator (the doctor conducting the study). It details the nature of the study, the risks involved and what will happen throughout the study. It informs study subjects that they have a right to leave the study at any time and who to call if they have questions. Finally, since the patient is under a doctor’s supervision, the same laws and ethics that normally regulate the medical profession protect the study subject.

 

I get it. You believe anything government tells you because democrats are in charge. Facts be fanned.

 

You read what you post? The FDA doesn’t do the studies. It’s a regulation agency.

 

What about masks and where is the quote from. Now, it’s just you making it up.

 

And neither does the Drug companies for approval. I made two post telling you does them. You’ll need to read to become informed.

 

Well then according to you, if the FDA doesn’t do them and the mfg doesn’t do them. Who does?

 

I’ve given posts…read the last one.

 

You havn't related these two numbers .. whats the 50% .. what is the 90% .. at preventing what ? - to what segment of the population ..vs what risk of harm..

As stated previously - the risk of harm from the vax to a person without aforementioned issues is similar to the risk of harm from the vax. both really small. you are not distinguishing between groups ..

What is the risk of harm from the Merck product relative to the vaccine .. and what are the other effects - does it strenghen the virus ike this MRNA stuff seems to be doing .. and in all likelihood is doing according to "The Science"

as a microbiologist ...specializing in environmental microbiology .. I do recall learning that - and while I agree we all need Treatment - some a whole lot more than others .. and that was unintentionally punny.

I have some idea what viruses are like .. and tend to undertand the literature - and the stats - (which has been bogus bad science on steroids way too often - that or false narrative or improperly contectualized narrative)

What I know really well - is pneumonia - as this is in my domain - the symbiotic relationship between your bacteria and immune system - your warriers against the bad bacteria that are going to kill you .. sans falling off a bridge .. as we all die of pneumonia .. the life long battle between the good bugs and the bad.

and in this i will talk circles around Dr So and so - a fking joke - no training did they get in environmental microbiology - Sanjay Gupta - clown Car Conflict of interest Fauci .. just the way it was back then ..enviro microbiology was forgotten .. only recently being re -recognized as a major deal.

anyhow .. Pandoras box has been opened wide - and folks are using this for personal gain - and power .. in disturbing ways. The full weight of the "Public Relations Industry" brought to bear.. on a global basis.

 

Sounds like the web likes pills instead of shots. Why choose a well over 97% success in avoiding hospitalization over a 50% cure rate……after you get infected and hospitalized.
Must be this infatuation with pills. Let’s do both as needed. And what’s need ed most….are shots in the arm, painful deep shots cause the pain and discomfort is good for you. Smoke a joint after the injection and stay high till the reaction wears off. Best of both worlds.

 

97 success rate in avoiding hospital is horrible has nothing to do with cure rate once you get to hospital ?

Think you are mixing apples and oranges here.

"Lets do both"? depends on the person .. --- you are telling people who are not showing up at the hospital - to take a vax so they don't show up at the hospital. If you are not in aforementioned group .. you ave a 99.99% chance of not showing up in the hospital ..

 

Is that your best line ? 97% is horrible…sure it is.How is the unvaccinated rate in hospitals…..that’s all those beds for unvaccinated people who are causing heart and cancer patients being turned away for treatment to die also.

so, you’re arguing for more covid deaths and fewer deserving ill people from getting treatment.,

 

Yeah I get what you mean now, but then surely WHAT is transmitted from an unvaccinated person with COVID is more harmful than WHAT is transmitted from an vaccinated person with COVID.

 

Would this then not justify vaccine mandates in the short term?

Are you saying that there shouldn't have been any lockdowns?

Perhaps due to lockdowns?