As it stands, is there a single SHRED of evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission?

I have not once insulted you personally. But, repeating ideas not founded in evidence from reliable sources that is available to literally, everyone, has to be called out. I find “bogus” a most appropriate term.

 

If I used someone else quote, I apologize.

 

An off topic remark.

 

I’m using this now as a starting point. There are all sorts of strategies, but here in America to start off with not being vaccinated is not one of them. These are strategies for people already vaccinated. They are strategies in a tool box for them. If you’re unvaccinated, with new variants, short living in a closet and having pizza slid under the door, you’re in deep sht. The hospital numbers show it. So the entire post is based on false notion. You can’t be unvaccinated now for the average citizen, and the cdc and literally, everyone says so.

 

Did you say that Medicine is not the issue in the discussion ? Well, that just jumped the bogus meter way up there.

 

YOUR QUOTES.
“You are the one who is doing what you acuse the right of .. going to a hair dresser to get an opinion about cars .. and you do this in this post .. idolizing "medicalexperts" - when "Medicine" is not the subject matter domain in some aspects of this issue .. and clearly you misunderstand that fact as well.”

Bet you’re asteroid we should be LISTENING to medical experts first. When do you not?

 

More often than not. But the point was that vaccines have nothing to do with transmission and they do not.

 

You claim I ignored "ALL" the medical experts - which is a complete falsehood. Said I was against medicine and masks - a complete falsehood.

You then try to infer I am on the right .. followed by stating all kinds of nasty things about the right -- some which may be true .. but it is a personal attack you are engaging in .. rather than addressing any of the points.

You have run around crying "Bogus - Bogus" - claiming I have presented Bogus information but, have yet to provide on thing I said which was "Bogus" .

What did I say that was Bogus - back up your claim instead of throwing insults and tarring the messenger with falsehoods - because something in the conversation conflicted with your position - seemingly something you misread as you can't figure out what your claim is (as in what is Bogus) - and you were triggered.

Now what was it that triggered you ? what did I say that you think was "Bogus"

 

Actually the vaccinated are creating vaccine resistant variants that they will not be able to fight. If we did what the Uttar Pradesh province of India did without vaccines we would only have about 35,000 dead or basically a flu year.

 

Doctors - nor medical school - does not endow subject matter expertise in all aspects of the pandemic.

I clearly state "Some Aspects" .. you then turned around and accused me of claiming Mediine did not matter .. which is not what was said - it is something you made up .. because clearly you didn't understand what was posted.

Never stated Medicine was not part of the issue .. never stated medicine doesn't matter.

Do you have anything other than false accusations mate. What is this "Bogus" idea that is troubling you .. something I said though .. not somethign you made up and have attributed to me.

 

What part of "in some aspects" some that were explained to you - are you having trouble understanding ?

I have listened to all kinds of folks who are being touted by the Media as Medical experts .. I named a few "Fauci" "Gupta"

Neither individual is an expert in all aspects of the pandemic. Told you this is a complicated issue - and there are areas that no one understands .. never mind one person being an expert in all areas.

Now what is troubling you - as I did not state you should not listen to medical experts first - just don't worship these folks as Gods as you have been doing .. drinking every drop of the Koolaid some doctor is feeding you .. put up by CNN as an Expert .. when they have little expertise in what they are talking about in many cases.

This is just like in the Abortion issue when the Religious right parrots up "embryology" as having some kind of subject matter expertise on what a human is .. So while you accuse me of acting like the anti science - anti logic crowd .. it turns out to be you who is acting this way.. drinking down state sponsored propaganda like faith in some religious belief .. without question ..

Go now .. and get a valid argument - and quit this fallacious demonization of the messenger thing you got going on ..

 

You can listen to Fauci all day long, then go one the CDC, JHU, Mayo Clinic, Mass General et al web sites and you won’t find a whit of difference. So when you criticize Fauci, you’re criticizing whom ? Everyone he’s speaking for which is the presidents cabinet which includes the cdc…which works in concert with every medical research facility.

now, name an aspect of the pandemic that is not medically linked to the public at large and public health.

 

My post are all valid. I’m looking at the advice of the cdc and my hospital and all my healthcare providers regardless of where I travel. Which medical research facility are you in line with ? In your own words, I’m what , idolizing the “medical research community” ?

 

Presidential Cabinets are hand picked by the President and they are working toward his goals or they don't last long in Cabinet positions.

 

In the Trump admin, sure. The cdc is an independent cabinet position in liberal admins. Otherwise they would be promoting gargling with industrial cleaner. Did you vote for that buffoon, Trump ? Just asking. It’s good cannon fodder if you did.

 

I’m sure you have a passing interest in science. But like many, it’s not science until there is institutional consensus on the evidence. That anyone would quote just a a single study or person unless they were affiliated with an entire medical community in evidence, is ridiculous. and unscientific.

 

They are headed by a Cabinet level Presidential appointee whose continued work in that position is at the pleasure of the Liberal President.

 

So your claim is what ? You can’t believe Trump so you can’t believe your own primary care physician ?

 

You seem to think the medical research facilities should be ignored. Picking out someone you like, is not science. They are a minority. No, I said you’re supposition of masking et al without being vaccinated first, is bogus. All mask requirements are in conjunction with being vaccinated.m

 

It's pretty simple really, politics play a major role in our current healthcare system.

 

Your posts have consisted of Strawman fallacy. As soon as you hear something that conflicts with what ever propaganda koolaid you have been ingesting - regardless of source - you start trying to tar the messenger with all kinds of falsehoods.

You said I did not believe in masking and that medicine was not part of the issue .. False and False - never said any such thing.

Then after claiming to understand wht you read - you post a quote of me saying Medicine is not the subject matter domain in all aspects - which clearly implies that it has expertice in some areas - .. yet you claim I have ignored all the medical expertice.

Where do get this idea running around falsly accusing peole of things they never said is a valid argument.

You didn't even get my comment to you CNN so called Medical experts correct .. good grief mate .. quit making stuff up .. didn't say you were idolizing the medical research community. Who you idolize is the various pundits put up by CNN - perhaps mistaking them for the "medical research community"

The reality is that you ignore a whole bunch of information from the Medical Research community - anything that conflicts with your CNN pundit narrative .. proof of which is that I presented information from the MRC .. which set you off into some demonization of the messenger rage.

 

You're in denial of facts. Understandably so.

 

Well okay, but if they have at least something to do with the potency of what is transmitted, then doesn't that justify vaccine mandates?

 

CDC: https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1359536382180544517

 

Are you not saying that with Delta, it has been proven that vaccination gives significant protection from transmission?