Nearly a third of Republicans say they will never get vaccinated, new poll finds

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  1. Polydectes

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    Don't worry about it polio is nothing compared to covid apparently.

    Didn't realize I was a superhuman but apparently I am I had the dreaded Rona and didn't die... Unless I'm typing from beyond the grave... Spooky.
     
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    It makes one less likely to catch it which makes them less likely to spread it
     
  3. Arkanis

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    It's amazing that you don't understand what a percentage means.

    The funny thing is that you claim to invalidate a NYT statistical study with a false 'demonstration'.

    Three other posters have explained to you that you are wrong, but it seems that mathematical laws don't apply to your relentless reasoning.

    The irony is that there is a clear correlation between the increase in the percentage of voters who consider themselves Republicans and the decrease in Independents.

    Just that, among other things, invalidates your smoking gun.
     
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  4. Arkanis

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    How do you know it's not black and Latino Republicans?

     
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    Just because you want it to be fake, doesn't it make it so. And it's an actual study in preprint. Thats the only caveat as it's currently being peer reviewed.

    Left doing the left. Because it doesn't fit the narrative, it must be fake.
     
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    No I clicked on it and there was a warning that this was a fake site pretending to be an official Canadian government site
     
  7. Arkanis

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    I congratulate you on your natural immunity.
     
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    Because that is not how vaccines or really any other medication works
     
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    You've tried arguing against science before.. in science, it's considered a generic malformation, Klinefelter syndrome.
     
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    Yes it is and then there is Turners syndrome and a myriad of others

    Gender is not binary - but that is an argument for another thread - let’s go back to you posting links to Facebook and fake sites
     
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    FoxHastings said:
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    Do you apply that to women who want abortions?

    :) I just can't help showing righty hypocrisy

    Funny how Anti-Choicers want choice when it's their body......but don't think women should have the same right.

    I don't want to mandate vaccine.... I don't mind if righties get Covid :).
     
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    LOL We don't know a lot of things but we can't cower in a corner....People still take drugs of all kinds willingly without knowing what they'll do in the future..


    Here's some thing we DO know for certain:

    And here's the risk the Repubs want to force on women:

    Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

    • exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
    • altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
    • nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
    • heartburn and indigestion
    • constipation
    • weight gain
    • dizziness and light-headedness
    • bloating, swelling, fluid retention
    • hemmorhoids
    • abdominal cramps
    • yeast infections
    • congested, bloody nose
    • acne and mild skin disorders
    • skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
    • mild to severe backache and strain
    • increased headaches
    • difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
    • increased urination and incontinence
    • bleeding gums
    • pica
    • breast pain and discharge
    • swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
      (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
    • extreme pain on delivery
    • hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
    • continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)
    Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

    • stretch marks (worse in younger women)
    • loose skin
    • permanent weight gain or redistribution
    • abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
    • pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
    • changes to breasts
    • increased foot size
    • varicose veins
    • scarring from episiotomy or c-section
    • other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
    • increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
    • loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
    • higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
    • newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)
    Occasional complications and side effects:

    • complications of episiotomy
    • spousal/partner abuse
    • hyperemesis gravidarum
    • temporary and permanent injury to back
    • severe scarring requiring later surgery
      (especially after additional pregnancies)
    • dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
    • pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
    • eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
    • gestational diabetes
    • placenta previa
    • anemia (which can be life-threatening)
    • thrombocytopenic purpura
    • severe cramping
    • embolism (blood clots)
    • medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
    • diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
    • mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
    • serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
    • hormonal imbalance
    • ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
    • broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
    • hemorrhage and
    • numerous other complications of delivery
    • refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
    • aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
    • severe post-partum depression and psychosis
    • research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
    • research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
    • research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease
    Less common (but serious) complications:

    • peripartum cardiomyopathy
    • cardiopulmonary arrest
    • magnesium toxicity
    • severe hypoxemia/acidosis
    • massive embolism
    • increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
    • molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
      (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
    • malignant arrhythmia
    • circulatory collapse
    • placental abruption
    • obstetric fistula
    More permanent side effects:


    • future infertility
    • permanent disability
    • death."""""""""""""""""""
     
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    ICU is higher, but don’t you think 43% kind of kills the whole argument about vaccine efficacy in general? It looks like these ratios are getting higher with time.
    There was a whole discussion in another thread where I was trying to figure out why these vaccines don’t seem to induce immune memory for some reason and the immunity starts to wane against the same strain of virus in a matter of weeks. It’s been my impression (remember, I’m not a pro at this!), that the vaccine causes a spike in antibodies that does protect against the virus while these antibodies circulate (in leimans terms - fresh), but when these antibodies naturally degrade immune system doesn’t seem to be doing a good job at reproducing them. Almost looks like when the body encounters the spike protein from the vaccine it treats it as some inert foreign objects (debris) that are removed, but it does not memorize the substance for future use.
     
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    You don't have a vaccine. You have gene therapy. Which is why your fake vaccine can't stop you from getting Covid or stop you from spreading Covid.
     
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    The fact that you wouldn't know that or have to ask the question means you have no interest in the truth.
     
  17. FoxHastings

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    FoxHastings said:
    Do you apply that to women who want abortions?

    :) I just can't help showing righty hypocrisy



    Funny how Anti-Choicers want choice when it's their body......but don't think women should have the same right.

    I don't want to mandate vaccine.... I don't mind if righties get Covid :).

    :) What's the matter ? You can't address the contents of my post ? ;)
     
  18. Arkanis

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    In fact, I am well aware that the fact that a majority of blacks refuse to get vaccinated does not invalidate the fact that 30% of Republicans also refuse to get vaccinated.

    They are two completely different pieces of data.

    For you to have a point, you would have to show that the majority of anti-vax blacks are Democrats.
     
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    So you proclaim that (X) amount of Republicans are anti vaxxers and they are the reason for all the Covid problems based on a single leftist news article but you need to be convinced that the mass majority of Blacks and Latino's are Democrat?
    Hypocrisy at its finest.
     
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    We've known for over a year that the vast majority of anti-vaccine advocates are Republicans.

    There have been an incredible number of polls on this.

    And I'll repeat for a second time: the fact that 65% of blacks refuse to get vaccinated has no bearing on the debate.

    You have to prove that the majority of that 65% are Democrats.

    Because among Democrats of all races, only 4% are anti-vaccine.
     
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    So then 65% of Blacks are Republican?
     
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    Bulls***. You have no idea and neither do your fake polls. There isn't a party registration for your fake vaccine. And your fake polls are presented in large blue areas for one purpose. To suck in whats left of the 20% of leftist who still watch leftist media like MSNBC and CNN.

    Only 8-10% of black voters vote Republican and have for over 50 years. The entire world knows this but now, somehow, (conveniently) you have no idea how blacks vote?
    You need proof that 65% of the black population who refuse the vaccine would account for 90% of them voting Democrat?
    Your hypocrisy and fake interpretation is so overbearing its laughable

    Not to mention that blacks make up over 24% of the Democrat party meaning that your fake numbers are blown out of the water about your fake 4% of Democrats are antivaxxers as more than half of Blacks refuse your fake vaccine.
     
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    The data that supports your policy positions are true, the data that contradicts them are false.

    What a surprise.

    I don't need to, only 4% of Democrats of any race are anti-vaccine.

    This alone shows that it is highly unlikely that the majority of the 65% of blacks who are anti-vax are Democrats.
     
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    Fake news. No one understands the concept better than me.
    So, if Dems are powering through COVID so well, and Republicans are dropping like flies, why is that it's Dems whose numbers are shrinking and the GOP who are seeing such splendid growth?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

    Dems have killed a lot of people.

    [​IMG]
    They lost Afghanistan, left Americans behind, destroyed our cities by attacking the forces of law and order and pushing low/no bail, cheered while their rioters burned down our cities and attacked police officers and now we see the results, a spike in murder rates like nothing we have ever seen. And what do the chatterboxes who backed on this do now? Make unverified claims of widespread GOP deaths based on little more than wish-casting.

    What these reckless positions pushed by the Left did to us:
    NYT reported, "Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020."

    What the Left is focused on as we endure the carnage:
    Politico reported, "Tensions are boiling over as discussions about finishing Democrats' $1.7 trillion domestic spending bill drag on between President Joe Biden and Sen. Joe Manchin."

    They can't even get all the Democrats to support their mad agenda.

    The constant staging and messaging that we are an evil people:
    AP reported, "Black juror: Smollett’s reaction to noose makes no sense." Yeah, you don't wear a noose like a prop when you call the cops. Smollett still is lying about every aspect of his felonies.

    The whitewash of felonies committed by those connected to the political Left: Just the News reported, "Kevin Clinesmith, the former senior FBI lawyer who was placed on probation as a convicted felon for falsifying a surveillance document during the Trump-Russia investigation, has been returned to good standing as a member of the D.C. Bar Association."

    Lying to a federal judge to spy on a political opponent is good! And keeps you in good standing with the DC Bar. Does this mean Darrell Brooks will get to keep his driver's license?

    Law Officer reported, "San Jose police arrest 6 men accused of targeting Asian women in 70 robberies."

    [​IMG]

    Maybe instead of CRT propaganda in school we should accurately grapple with real racism.

    I've asked you several times to what do you attribute the shrinkage of the Dems and the spectacular growth of the GOP? Because your claim that the GOP are dying in droves while the Dems are triumphantly avoiding or overcoming COVID doesn't seem to hold any water. In fact, it's as at odds with reality as the rest of the Left's agenda.
     
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    MSNBC and CNN have lost 80% of their viewership over their fake claims and fake polls. You must be one of the last holdouts.

    What it shows is you will knowingly falsify information to make a fake point.

    90% of Blacks vote Democrat
    65% of Blacks refuse the vaccine
    Which means on average of those 65%, 55% are Democrat
    Since Blacks make up 24% of the Democrat party, and we know at least 55% are anti vaxxers, your fake numbers about only 4% of the Democrat party won't get the vaccine is nothing but made up horses***.
    But you go right ahead and keep knowingly spewing your fake numbers. Its what turned the country against Democrats, MSNBC, and CNN hence the last votes in Virginia, New York, New Jersey, Minneapolis, and Seattle.
    We appreciate your continued support.
     

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