Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

Strawman. The Nazis were evil, not all Germans were Nazis. Some brave Germans fought and opposed the evil Nazi regime.

and no, a Holocaust Denier is someone who denies that the Nazis and their Fascist allies killed millions of Jews and millions of other innocent civilians during WW2. A Holocaust Denier is someone who denies that the Nazis hated the Jews, saw them as a threat to mankind, and worked hard to exterminate them in Europe.

 

I just came across a new revelation I hadn't read about yet:

Posted by EU Times on Jun 6th, 2020:
Mass Grave of Nazi Soldiers Found in Russia



The fates of more than one million German soldiers and civilians who went missing at the end of World War II remain a question for historians and archivists. However, recently discovered mass graves may shed some light on the stories behind their lives.

A mass grave of Wehrmacht soldiers that dates back to World War II was found in South Ossetia, Russian media reported. Workers digging a foundation pit for a house came across human remains, and immediately called in police officers and search teams.

“We lifted up the remains of about five Wehrmacht soldiers, [we found] two mortal medallions. Clearance is still going on, so maybe there will be more. [We] come across tokens, cartridges and personal items: combs, buttons”, said Murat Tsakhilov, a representative of the ‘Duty and Honour’ search squad.

The soldiers’ “dog tags” could possibly be used to identify the men. Their remains are expected to be sent to a German military cemetery, while their uniforms and personal belongings are set to be transferred to Russian museums.

According to officials from the German Red Cross, about 1.3 million soldiers and civilians who disappeared at the end of World War II remain missing. The researchers often rely on German and Soviet archives and tracking systems to determine their fates.

https://www.eutimes.net/2020/06/mass-grave-of-nazi-soldiers-found-in-russia/
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It is amazing how after all these years the dead find a way to come up and expose the atrocities of the past.
The christian Residential Schools in Canada are another gruesome example!
Truth can't be buried!!

 

No.
Holocaust denial isn't about questioning events and motives.
It is about DENYING what has been proven to have HAPPENED.
Anyone is free to research ad many do, reexamining and questioning events and publishing their findings.

 

Thank you for your civil response.

Most "Hollywood educated" people who actually believe the grossly inflated claims of what Norman Finkelstein calls "The Holocaust Industry" are incapable of discussing this topic rationally and with civility.

While many of them have heard the simple maxim: "The victors write the history", they embrace anything and everything that has been poured into their heads by MSM and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry with a cult-like fanaticism.

If the self appointed holocaust authorities suddenly claimed that 6 billion Jews were killed via beer flatulence they would angrily defend that absurdity with more intense vehemence than they would their mother's honor.

When I was fluent in the language, I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany where I came to know many Germans and people of other nationalities who were soldiers, firebombing survivors, former work camp inmates etc and like the thousands of people interviewed by the Red Cross(1), not one of them had known of a genocidal German agenda, a homicidal gas chamber or any of the other grisly fantasies fabricated by the profit hungry Holocaust Industry.

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I'm afraid that doing the things you list will get you locked up and / or fined in about 16 "democracies" around the world and anyone or organization refuting the standard holocaust narrative becomes a target for holocaust extremists' death threats, firebombing, lost jobs etc.
For example, Norman Finkelstein, a son of holocaust survivors, who wrote the book "The Holocaust Industry" lost his job for exposing the fraudulence of the Holocaust Industry.

As I have noted before, if there were any truth to the unsupportable stories about "6 million Jews killed", homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal German agenda etc the Holocaust Industry wouldn't be so terrified of the truth.

Finally, I simply don't believe that the German people were capable of committing or supporting the innumerable and grossly exaggerated atrocities they have been accused of committing.

Thanks,


(1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross"

"The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide"
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

EXCERPT "International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED

 

The Nazis were truly evil people, who murdered millions of Jews and non-Jews for no good reason. And they invaded lots of innocent countries that had done the Nazis no harm. It's funny how the Nazis made believe they were the victims even though they invaded Poland, Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Yugoslavia, etc etc. Every country they went to they rounded up the Jews and deported them to Poland for execution and slave labor.


Truly an evil group of people.

 

So there was no general murder.
Just bad luck my entire family were exterminated by the nazis. And I have paperwork to prove it.
I was asked by the mods last time this came up not to discuss the validity of the holocaust. Shall I report your posts denying it happened because yes. I have every right to feel insulted by your conspiratorial flippancy at the murder of 6 million of anybody. And I will act on the offensive remarks you make. I don't give a damn about labels, ping-pong accusations of what I should feel in order not to be something or other as if feeling it means I am some sort of socio political pariah seen by one part of some imaginary population or another.
I don't care about the money made off the back of the times. It always happens. I care that YOU reject the truth of the holocaust using that as an excuse. For someone who rejects research, you quickly swallow the parts you prefer.
Now maybe you should sit down with a holocaust survivor, look them in the eye and accuse them of making money telling lies.
BTW your source won't open. Now why is that?
And finklesteins firing had nothing to do with either holocaust denial or the money made grinding at the issue. I too can do some research.
Next time I wont be so civil.

 

To continue, finklestein was sacked for the quality of his work on the Israeli Palestine conflict and the only mention of the holocaust was that he had been at a conference on the subject. The Holocaust was never an issue in his barring. His research had been thoroughly examined and found to be unreliable. That merits a sacking from any university.

 

Oh, snap....

 

Finkelstein does not question for one second that the Holocaust happened.

He fully believes and embraces the fact that millions of Jews were intentionally murdered by the Nazis and their Fascist allies.

 

And we need to remember that the Holocaust was not the Nazis only crime during world war II.

They also invaded most of Europe, taking millions of people prisoner and using them as slave labor.

They stole art, natural resources, land, all for the "greater good of Germany".

Even if the Holocaust never happened the Nazis were still truly an evil group of thugs.

 

You have a point. The Supreme Court DID rule that Neo-Nazi speech is just as protected as any other.

 

Personally I think communist and fascist groups should be illegal in the USA.

The first amendment isn't meant to be a suicide pact, but that's exactly what it will become if we let crazy people try to take over the country

when I accepted my federal job in the year 1999 I had to swear that I was not an anarchist.

 

The issue was not how many but whether the holocaust happened at all.
And not whether Hitler knew, but whether the nazis knew.
I absolutely object to attempts the play down or fiddle with the details of the greatest crimes committed in the 20th century. Ans I see no point in doing so. Those who were innocent victims of evil incarnate are almost all dead. Stop gnawing on their bones. Doing so changes nothing except attempts to come to terms with it.
BTW my own mother experienced it and she is still alive, though has spent her life traumatised. Nazi evil still walks.

 

I just looked back to see who started this thread.
It is chief stirrer-provacateur, Aquarius.

I for one will be ignoring him. He isn't honest because he doesn't care about his subjects...he never posts in his own threads. He just wants to create trouble. I for one won't be trolled like that.

 

delete

 

the Nazis were evil, truly evil. They should be banned from any nation that loves freedom.

 

You should know that in addition to my commitment to being civil, I also do not respond well to threats, attempts at intimidation and fraudulent emotional fallacies.

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As you are new here, you are apparently under the impression that what may be offensive to you is prohibited in this forum. That is not true so you should recognize the following:

MISSION STATEMENT:
“…but that does not restrict the ability of users to express their political views, even if those views are controversial or unorthodox.”

2. PERSONAL ATTACKS AND INSULTS
“Please also keep in mind that simply saying something that's not very nice is not necessarily an insult, nor does the fact that you are offended necessarily mean that you have been insulted.”

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I regret that the link I provided in my earlier Post disproving the claim that Germany's National Socialists were guilty of "genocide" did not work.

Here's one that does:

“RED CROSS DENIES HOLOCAUST!: 1948 ICRC Report: No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews. Most Deaths Caused By “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Germany By the U.S and U.K. Which Is A War Crime!” – ICRC PDF Here. UPDATE: In 2006, 58 Years Later, The ICRC Changed Their Story.”

https://truedemocracyparty.net/2020...bombing-of-civilian-germany-by-the-u-s-and-u/
EXCERPT “They found No Evidence Of Genocide, Gas Chambers Or Systematic Extermination Of Jews, and blamed most of the deaths on the “Barbarous Bombing Of Civilian Transportation Infrastructure in Germany By the U.S and U.K., which led to mass starvation, Typhus, and Death of the Civilian Population and in the Labor Camps which couldn’t get food, Medicine or any supplies at all. They called it a War Crime!” CONTINUED

To be clear, I do not deny that Germany's National Socialists committed crimes and atrocities, however according to many eyewitness and holocaust survivors I have known, they pale in comparison to the Communists(1), Eisenhower's true death camps and other Allied atrocities immediately after the war.

Finally, regarding your rhetorical fallacy "Appeal to Emotion":

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Not only have I repeatedly read the exact same anonymous claim, you contradict yourself in your Post # 239:

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I encourage you to take the advice of @Jazz:

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This is a discussion forum that is supposed to be enjoyable so, I firmly believe that mature individuals can disagree without being disagreeable.

Thanks,


(1) “In Ukraine, Many Survivors of the Holocaust Still Await Recompense”
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-15-mn-9442-story.html

EXCERPT “If survivors were alive, the Stalinist thinking went, they must have collaborated with the enemy. At the very least, they were considered dangerously contaminated by exposure to the “bourgeois” West.

“Some people were sent to the gulag immediately. One survivor even asked why we were so interested in Auschwitz when the gulag was worse,” Verhovska said.” CONTINUED

 

So Eisenhower built real death camps????


Prove it!!!!

 

Because it was YOU who told me to discuss holocaust denial in another thread.
as did a mod.

You seem to make a lot of mistakes, don't you?

 

Still waiting for evidence for these so-called death camps built by Dwight Eisenhower.

 

I'm afraid that I don't recall telling you to do anything.

Are you sure that you don't have me mixed up with another Poster?

Everybody makes mistakes but I don't consider attempting to look at history objectively and honestly to be one of them.

Finally, would you please ease up on the snarkiness?

Writing on a debate forum is supposed to be an enjoyable pastime.

Hostility and incivility make it much less enjoyable and does nothing to solidify the credibility of your argument..

Thanks,

 

How ironic since I consider content affirming holocaust denial most hostile and utterly non credible.
However I can recognise your faulty memory in all the posts you make to justify your position.
Happily you are one of a tiny minority which prates about something you have no real experience of.
Therefore easily dismissed as utterly unimportant.

 

You cannot possibly know my opinions about the holocaust & WW 2 unless you have read several of my Posts on the subject so I cannot understand the source of your blatant hostility.

Briefly put, I do not deny that the Holocaust happened as did Holodomor and numerous other mass tragedies, some more horrific and some less.
I simply feel that the German people have been unjustly slandered and exploited for many crimes and atrocities they did not commit by an insatiably greedy and dishonest Holocaust Industry and vengeful series of bogus War Crime "Trials" in which all "guilty" verdicts were obtained through torture, deception and / or threats.

You are mistaken, however in thinking that people who reject the fraudulent Holocaust narrative are a "...tiny minority".

According to an ADL study(1) only about 1/3 of the world actually believes the hyperbolic exaggerations about homicidal gas chambers, "6 million Jews killed" and a genocidal German agenda
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I suspect that the true number is even smaller because of the repressive effect of draconian holocaust denial laws in about 16 countries.
Therefore, you are wrong in assuming that those who reject the dishonest holocaust script are outnumbered by professionally deceived holocaustians.




(1)”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth."
CONTINUED

 

I'm glad this thread has been sent to the right place, where almost no one will ever see it.

 

I'm being held hostage, so I have a few minutes to post.
If Winston Churchill had ended the war in the summer of 1940 the Germans would have quietly killed the Jews in Germany and whatever additional countries they controlled after the treaty with no further controversy until they invaded The Soviet Union. Eventually they might have killed all the ethnic Poles too.