Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

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  1. The annoying thing

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    Apparently your wrong I know about the Russian gulags and more.
    The nazis Exemplified evil . as did others but I think they are the most noted
     
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    LangleyMan Well-Known Member

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    Three was number I've seen most often for plutonium bombs we could produce per month in 1945, and then many more in 1946. We had hundreds of atomic bombs four years later.
     
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    Jews were not around at creation.

    Murder is obviously always wrong.
     
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    The vax mandate is kind of reverse Eugenics ideology -- which is essentially what Hitler did with the Jews -- based on the same fallacious utilitarianism.

    If Hitler was following Eugenics ideology - Hierarchy in society justified by the natural tendency of the gene to survive - Jews would have been put in high places.. showing superior ability to rise. The mandate is a form of de-evolution -- helping the weak to survive - at the expense of the strong. Reverse "Survival of the fittist"

    Both ideologies were Utilitarian in nature -- only looking at the collective with no regard for the rights of the individual .. the "Fallacious part" is because neither were based on valid utilitarian arguments . based on falsehood and propaganda dressed up to look as if it was for the collective benefit .. Orwellian doublespeak at its finest.

    Seeing similar justification for atrocity - forced medical treatment where risk of harm is higher than disease - are particularly disturbing.

    Aquarius hits the nail on the head in many respects .. "Everyone" - who was anyone - the elite at the time .. were all on the Eugenics bandwagon ..very similar to various group think bandwagons of today .. very supportive of Hitlers original plan to improve the German race following these ideas of social engineering. Then Hitler went off the farm and started went down some extremist path .. as we all know.
     
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    Eugenics is not hierarchy in society justified by the natural tendency of the gene to survive.
    It is the opposite.
    It is developing UNNATURAL genetic combinations to create a SPECIFIC idea of hierarchy defined by those who had the power to fill the formula they designed.
    Think of a committee of German shepherd enthusiasts who dream of changing the natural assets of the breed and genetically accenting the looks and temperament to achieve what THEY designed according to their taste.
    It was so morally wrong that there are laws against designer babies and genetic research .
    Unfortunately there are yet no such laws against anyone trying yo genetically alter German shepherds and today the NATURAL dog is riddled with hip and joint dysplasia, the redesigning of the slope of the back has narrowed the chest space for their heart and lungs and the poor creatures affected by these canine "nazi" breeders suffer so much distress.
    Playing around with King Charles cavalier genes has produced a dog with its skull too small for its brain and they have to be put down.
    THAT is eugenics.
    (I get a tad exercised by this as you can tell...)
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Not only did it end the war, it saved millions of Japanese and American lives. War is horrible.
     
  7. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess you were there, you were one of them?
     
  8. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you willing to take the word of an unfortunate individual who had the misfortune of being in both Auschwitz and the gulag?

    If so, please read the brief excerpt below in red:

    “In Ukraine, Many Survivors of the Holocaust Still Await Recompense”
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-15-mn-9442-story.html

    EXCERPT “If survivors were alive, the Stalinist thinking went, they must have collaborated with the enemy. At the very least, they were considered dangerously contaminated by exposure to the “bourgeois” West.

    “Some people were sent to the gulag immediately. One survivor even asked why we were so interested in Auschwitz when the gulag was worse,” Verhovska said.” CONTINUED


    Even though Jews and other nationalities religions and ethnic groups were members of the National Socialist / Nazi Party, it is the German people who are the most vehemently demonized, or, as you say "... most noted" by Hollywood, MSM and the Holocaust Industry.

    My only motive for pointing out the inflated fraudulence of the standard holocaust narrative is to show that the German soldiers and civilians behaved no worse than any other participants of WW 2.
     
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    I have seen photo evidence and watched Documentaries and done some done some reading
     
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    daaaa did I say that no. Did I imply that no. My grandfather was and there are tons of Books and documentaries on the subject
     
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    You are correct it did end the war It saved America from invading Japan and save hundreds of thousand of life not just American but Japanese also
     
  12. Grau

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    I lived, studied and worked in what was then W. Germany in the early - mid 1970s where I knew numerous civilians and former soldiers of various nationalities. One job was working with a former SS officer who was a stone mason. No, he didn't have horns but was generous and kind hearted.

    A Russian women who had been imprisoned by all the major armies claimed that the Germans treated her best of all.
    Like the experience of the Red Cross, I didn't talk to any former work camp inmate who had seen a homicidal gas chamber or knew of a genocidal agenda.

    Additionally, do you really think that only the "other side" employed atrocity propaganda? Hollywood had and has masters at deception and mind shaping.

    Don't you remember the fake human skin lampshade, fake human fat soap, fake human skin pocketbooks and shrunken heads?
    The multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry has already made it clear that they're willing to deceive us. Why believe things that are physically impossible and defy common sense?

    Thanks,
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    O.k., then you should be well informed.
     
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    It's one thing to have a "superiority" complex. It's another to think that gives you the right or authority to kill anyone, let alone mass murder of people on the basis of a religion.
     
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    But that's not what it was! The Germans had been betrayed badly in the Versailles Treaty, and it was again the Jews who dominated that. The Germans only wanted their lands back and be left alone. Hitler wanted to build a healthy, strong nation that could live without the infiltration of the Jews, who always only wanted to control whatever country they occupied. Not the little Jews, the common folk Jews, but the organized top ones who plotted the wars.

    Why don't you listen to Benjamin Freedman? He can tell you everything so much more correctly to get a clear picture of the Jewish manipulations against Germany...

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-36&sk=&cvid=5467A65A614D4A54B7656BA5A55DE27E
     
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    Killing everyone of a given heritage is the way to respond to a few you think control you?
    What country in the world has ever been totally controlled by Jews other than Israel today?

    Be warned- excusing people who totally rule and destroy those they don't like will sooner or later- result in them having power over you.
     
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    The poster didn't say that .. least not in post you are responding to. ... and represents a nonsense black vs white paradigm antisemite trope "Anyone critical of the Jew wants to kill them all"

    Depends what you mean by "Control" -- and a separate question .. Jewish banking families have exerted a fair bit of control in the past.. Why Adolf would go after all Jews .. rather than the one's who were "Controlling" - is a function of a sick mind .. but, this does not mean the baby should be thrown out with the bath water.
     
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    Yeah, but some perspectives are totally unacceptable. :(
     
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    Nazis during Hitler's days (and modern Nazis), strongly believed that the Soviet Union and the USA were run by the Jewish World conspiracy. :(
     
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    I think that is true- and more; sooner or later it would have included everyone. People who become obsessed also tend to become paranoid, and need justifications and targets to blame for their complaints. These are a kind of conspiracy theory. And while true conspiracies are real and common, most like that are not.

    If we are wise- we won't let them get a foothold in the first place.
     
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    Have I understood that correctly? Do you also believe in a Jewish world conspiracy?
    You're kidding me, or my bad understanding of the English language kicks back. :(
     
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    Are you aware that the 1946 Red Cross report found absolutely no evidence of genocide?


    "JEWISH POPULATION NUMBERS IN 1933 AND 1948."
    https://rafzen.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/jewish-population-numbers-in-1933-and-1948/

    EXCERPT
    A Factual Appraisal Of The ‘Holocaust’ By The Red Cross

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide

    "Not only did large numbers of the three million or so European Jews avoid internment altogether, but the emigration of Jews continued throughout the war, generally by way of Hungary, Rumania and Turkey." CONTINUED
     
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    No. The Nazis were evil and neo-Nazis exist today and they are also evil.

    You are attempting to rationalize MONSTERS.
     
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    Misunderstood lets see if I can say it better.
    What I said, or tried to say, was that such people as Hitler need to believe that they are victims of this or that group and use that as an excuse for their oppression.
    Did not mean to imply Jews particularly. There was no Jewish conspiracy that I ever learned of- but there was a hate. I don't think it's unlike the "hate the rich" thing we often see today. The Jewish culture tended to produce people who sought skills and expertise. They were industrious, productive, good economic managers, and usually made better incomes... others saw this as common to the group, and compared themselves (without considering the levels of their own performance, of course) and decided they must have been cheated because the Jewish communities usually did better.
     
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    Yeah, this is a well-known path to anti-Semitism. Jews were told to do better than the average citizen. So they did. But that made them all the more suspicious.

    Please excuse me if I misunderstood you. :)
     

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