Hot Take: Nazis were not evil for their time.

You do realize that all of this has been repeatedly debunked, right?

 

No matter what the crime and the volume of evidence, some will deny it. Why the Red Cross would do that- I don't know, other than to avoid seeing a massive reprisal against Germans arise; the equivalent of global lynch mob.

The evidence we have now consists of huge volumes of testimony from thousands of survivors, first-hand witnesses with serial numbers tattooed on their arms. From mass graves, including films the Nazi's made showing the disposal of hundreds of naked bodies being thrown and bulldozed into a trench grave. From the gas chambers and chemicals found as the death camps were taken by allies.

It's a lot like denying any possibility that the covid virus could have come from the Wuhan Viral lab- but with vastly more evidence; hard, irrefutable evidence.

We don't have that kind of evidence on the origin of the virus- however, just based on physical geography, the odds of a novel virus like this popping up in spitting distance of a lab working on that specific type of virus are about the same as you winning the big lottery several times in a row. American science and government downplayed and denied that possibility publicly, because of the huge impact it might have had on everything from international relations to research funding. Imagine what might happen if the world were to blame China for millions of deaths around the world.That would b called biological warfare, among other things. I personally believe that without doubt it came from that lab, and that without doubt is was accidental. A good part of the world would think otherwise- and could seek retribution. Wars can start that way.
In other words, they lied to you for your own good- and of course, for their own good most of all.

Gen. Dwight D Eisenhower made this statement:
“The same day [April 12, 1945] I saw my first horror camp. It was near the town of Gotha. I have never felt able to describe my emotional reactions when I first came face to face with indisputable evidence of Nazi brutality and ruthless disregard of every shred of decency. Up to that time I had known about it only generally or through secondary sources. I am certain, however that I have never at any other time experienced an equal sense of shock.

“I visited every nook and cranny of the camp because I felt it my duty to be in a position from then on to testify at first hand about these things in case there ever grew up at home the belief or assumption that `the stories of Nazi brutality were just propaganda.’ Some members of the visiting party were unable to through the ordeal. I not only did so but as soon as I returned to Patton’s headquarters that evening I sent communications to both Washington and London, urging the two governments to send instantly to Germany a random group of newspaper editors and representative groups from the national legislatures. I felt that the evidence should be immediately placed before the American and British public in a fashion that would leave no room for cynical doubt.”

 

And I, for not saying it more clearly in the first place.

 

No, I don't feel that there was a genocidal German agenda against the Jews because of the following reasons.

How could there have been a genocide against all Jews if some Jews were members of the National Socialist Party and about 150,000 Jews and mixed Jews were members of Germany's WW 2 military?

Full and mixed Jews rose to the highest ranks and earned Germany's highest honors with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

I don't think that it was as simple as "Hitler hated all Jews" because he had several Jewish friends and even had a platonic writing friendship with young Rosa Nienau.

On the other hand, Hitler and most Germans saw what happened in the USSR under the Communists / Bolsheviks / Cheka most of which was under Jewish leadership.
Don't you remember when Putin stated that 80% of the early Communist leadership was Jewish?

Like most people, I suspect that you've never heard of Genrikh Yagoda who like Leonid Reichman was among the 38.5% of Jewish individuals who held senior positions in the Soviet security apparatuses as late as 1934.

So, many Jews were persecuted not because of their religion but because of their affiliation, real or perceived, to the Communists / Bolsheviks / Cheka:

For example, this is some of what many Germans heard and feared:

- “Some call it Marxism - I call it Judaism.”
Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, in the American Bulletin of May 15, 1935

- “The revolution in Russia is a Jewish revolution”
The Maccabean (New York), Nov. 1905, p, 250

- “Jewry is the mother of Marxism.”
Le Droit de Vivre, May 12, 1936

- “Judaism is Marxism, communism”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 64

- “The communist soul is the soul of Judaism.”
Harry Waton, A Program for the Jews and an Answer to All Anti-Semites (New York: Committee for the Preservation of the Jews, 1939), p. 143

Please be aware that I don't excuse of condone the dismal treatment of National Socialism's victims. I simply feel that the German people have been unjustly over demonized and exploited by Hollywood, MSM and the corrupt Holocaust Industry.

Thanks,

 

Yet you claimed before that you don't deny the Holocaust . . . and here you are denying the Holocaust.

The NSP had very specific rules about who counted as a Jew and who didn't. The people you are talking about weren't considered Jews by the Nazis.

See above.

If you think Hitler didn't hate Jews, then you've never read Mein Kampf.

The Nazis ALSO persecuted communists. But they persecuted Jews regardless of their political affiliation, just as they persecuted communists regardless of their race.

And you frequently get your historical facts wrong when making these arguments. You aren't a neo-Nazi, but you have fallen for their propaganda and have become a mouthpiece for them.

 

So maybe Lucifer's rebellion against the requisite strictures of the plan of salvation wasn't evil because of his and his followers belief that everyone ought to be saved, without choice or regard to personal quality? Was it also not evil for Lucifer to propose the claim to glory for himself in the accomplishment of this feat, should it have been done? Clearly there were those at the time who saw it otherwise, as he was cast from heaven. It is also a fact that eugenics had been repeatedly rejected for thousands of years before the Nazi's employed it. Surely it has always been evil, from its conception to now, regardless the science.

 

I don't understand how anyone could try to legitimize or excuse or whitewash or want to understand anti-Semitism and hatred of Jewish people.

There has never been a legitimate reason to hate or mistrust Jews before and there isn't one now.

 

Sorry but we don't care about what antisemites have to say, their minds are polluted by irrational and illogical hatred.

 

It sounds as if you think that only the "other side" used atrocity propaganda when most of the Posts here indicate the efficacy of Hollywood, the multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry and its complicit MSM. (1)

America's propaganda ministry was called the OWI (Office of Wartime Information) and they had people just as convinced that the fake human skin lampshades, fake human fat soap, shrunken heads and fake human skin pocketbooks were real as you are probably convinced that the infamous "piles of bodies" are not German POWs etc shipped from Eisenhower's real death camps that made Auschwitz look like the most luxurious Hilton.

At least Auschwitz etc provided food, medical care, shelter while Eisenhower's real death camps provided none of those things.
Both sympathetic guards and civilians who attempted to provide food to German POWs were ordered to be shot by Eisenhower whose hatred of the Germans was infamous.

Of course conditions at Germany's work camps were miserable at the end of the war and typhus infected bodies were all over the place because the Germans were unable to resupply the work camps with food and medicine.

At Bergen Belsen, for example, 15,000 died after liberation by the British primarily from typhus.

It is noteworthy that of the thousands of autopsies done, not one person was found to have died from poison gas.

There are many maxims about war but I feel that these two are most appropriate for the topic at hand:

1. "In war, the first casualty is the truth."

2. "The victors write the history."



(1) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED

 

I sadly agree that propaganda was used then, but is even moreso in use today- and that leaves everything is a condition of question. Not necessarily because of facts, but of focus. Propaganda wouldn't be worth a damn if not sprinkled with some truth to legitimize it, especially in minds that don't think for themselves very well.

Movies are always dramatized; they have to be. Pure documentaries get boring for most people. That doesn't mean they aren't based on real events nor that the portrayal of them is deceptive.
I don't base my view on movies, but on things like the films the Nazis themselves made and testimony of victims. When I was a boy, my parents (ran a small grocery store) had numerous war vet customers, including one who had been involved in clearing one of those camps. He rarely spoke of it, because when he did, he would choke up and feel depressed for days.

As to the holocaust being genuine- I have no question it is, but each is entitled to their own opinion.

 

While I'm ready to move on to another topic, I try to answer all Posts to me.


No, I don't deny that the holocaust happened, I simply don't believe the physically impossible and unsupportable nonsense about "6 million Jews murdered", homicidal gas chambers, a genocidal German agenda.


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It doesn't matter what the National Socialists called the Jews.
Jews still comprised NS Party members and high ranking military officers.
That would not have happened if there had been a genocidal agenda against the Jews.
It's that simple.

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It's been a while but, yes, I have read "Mein Kampf" in the original German.

The following is a quote from it in English that you may have missed:

EXCERPT "In the Jew I still saw only a man who was of a different religion, and therefore, on grounds of human tolerance, I was against the idea that he should be attacked because he had a different faith. And so I considered that the tone adopted by the anti-Semitic Press in Vienna was unworthy of the cultural traditions of a great people."CONTINUED (*)

I do not see a racist hatred reflected in these few lines or in the fact that he had Jewish friends, a Jewish doctor, Jewish driver and even a young Jewish "pen pal" named Rosa Nienau who shared his birthday.


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Of course the Nazis persecuted the Communists. What do you think the Communists did to threats to their party?

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I have absolutely no sympathies for Nazis or Neo Nazis. I simply feel that the German people have been falsely slandered & exploited by a corrupt, dishonest and greedy Holocaust Industry.

Finally, I'm just as convinced that you've been brainwashed into believing Hollywood's nonsense as you feel that I've been deceived so at least we have that in common.
Even though we obviously differ on this topic, I hope we can do so with civility.

Thanks,

 

By now, all the German people from that era are dead, especially the so called Nazis.

As to what country has ever been totally controlled by Jews? All I can think of are the Weimar Republic (= Germany before Hitler), Russia after the murdering of the Czar, Palestine, Canada (https://electronicintifada.net/content/zionism-part-canadas-political-fabric/13062), and the USA. (Sharon: "We control America and they know it!")

 

the Nazis persecuted many Jews who were not Communists. Most of the Jews persecuted by Hitler were not Communists. Most German Jews did NOT vote for the Communist Party in 1933 elections, and yet they were almost all still stripped of their citizenship and declared enemies of the state.

The Nazis believed that unless they had 100% proof otherwise, that ALL Jews were a Communist threat and had to be dealt with like a serious disease or infection upon society.

if the real issue was Communists and NOT Jews, the word "Jew" would never be mentioned by the Nazis ever. There were many more Soviet Communists who were Gentiles rather than Jews, but Hitler still called it "Judeo-Bolshevism".

Hitler hated Jews, he saw us as a disease, an illness, that infected Europe and he knew the cure.

 

There's a big difference between a culture or religion being prominent and successful, and being "totally controlling". The former more the result of efficient work ethics and skill samong the people, the latter being the nature of dictators and tyrants.
Fact is, the Nazis persecuted everyone who wasn't Aryan by their definition- meaning if you weren't like them, you were defective. There were degrees of that, but they did plan to eliminate all jews.

 

Hitler allowed a few Jews to be ok, but most Jews were a disease in Hitler's eyes, worthy of one thing: extermination.

 

Then, yes, you deny the Holocaust happened.

 

Here are some of Hitler's quotes, about Jews:

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master. For a racially pure people which is conscious of its blood can never be enslaved by the Jew. In this world he will forever be master over bastards and bastards alone. And so he tries systematically to lower the racial level by a continuous poisoning of individuals."


"...His [the Jew’s] unfailing instinct in such things scents the original soul in everyone, and his hostility is assured to anyone who is not spirit of his spirit. Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander. Here he [the Jew] stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. The ignorance of the broad masses about the inner nature of the Jew, the lack of instinct and narrow-mindedness of our upper classes, make the people an easy victim for this Jewish campaign of lies."



"“The feelings of the Jew are concerned with purely material things; his thoughts and desires even more so. The dance round the golden calf becomes a ruthless struggle for all those goods which, according to our innermost feelings, should not be the highest and most desirable things on this earth. The value of the individual is no longer determined by his character, by the importance of his achievements for all, but solely by the amount of his possessions, by his money.”



"“While the Zionists try to make the rest of the World believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organisation for their international world swindler, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks.
It is a sign of their rising confidence and sense of security that at a time when one section is still playing the German, French-man, or Englishman, the other with open effrontery comes out as the Jewish race.”

 

Here are some more interesting quotes from Hitler, about the Jews:

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“Never forget that the rulers of present-day Russia are common blood-stained criminals; that they are the scum of humanity which, favoured by circumstances, overran a great state in a tragic hour, slaughtered out thousands of her leading intelligentsia in wild bloodlust, and now for almost ten years have been carrying on the most cruel and tyrannical regime of all time.

Furthermore, do not forget that these rulers belong to a race which combines, in a rare mixture, bestial cruelty and an inconceivable gift for lying, and which today more than ever is conscious of a mission to impose its bloody oppression on the whole world. Do not forget that the international Jew who completely dominates Russia today regards Germany not as an ally, but as a state destined to the same fate.

The danger to which Russia succumbed is always present for Germany. Only a bourgeois simpleton is capable of imagining that Bolshevism has been exorcised. With his superficial thinking he has no idea that this is an instinctive process; that is, the striving of the Jewish people for world domination, a process which is just as natural as the urge of the Anglo-Saxon to seize domination of the earth. And just as the Anglo-Saxon pursues this course in his own way and carries on the fight with his own weapons, likewise the Jew. He goes his way, the way of sneaking in among the nations and boring from within,
and he fights with his weapons, with lies and slander, poison and corruption, intensifying the struggle to the point of bloodily exterminating his hated foes.

In Russian Bolshevism we must see the attempt undertaken by the Jews in the twentieth century to achieve world domination. Just as in other epochs they strove to reach the same goal by other, though inwardly related processes. Their endeavor lies profoundly rooted in their essential nature."

 

Some more of Hitler's quotes:

"From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He (Schopenhauer) called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies". Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail."



" People who can sneak their way, like parasites, into the human body politic and make others work for them under various pretences can form a State without possessing any definite delimited territory. This is chiefly applicable to that parasitic nation which, particularly at the present time preys upon the honest portion of mankind; I mean the Jews."


"The Jew has never been a nomad, but always a parasite, battening on the substance of others. If he occasionally abandoned regions where he had hitherto lived he did not do it voluntarily. He did it because from time to time he was driven out by people who were tired of having their hospitality abused by such guests. Jewish self-expansion is a parasitic phenomenon--since the Jew is always looking for new pastures for his race."


"He is and remains a parasite, a sponger who, like a pernicious bacillus, spreads over wider and wider areas according as some favourable area attracts him. The effect produced by his presence is also like that of the vampire; for wherever he establishes himself the people who grant him hospitality are bound to be bled to death sooner or later. Thus the Jew has at all times lived in States that have belonged to other races and within the organization of those States he had formed a State of his own, which is, however, hidden behind the mask of a 'religious community', as long as external circumstances do not make it advisable for this community to declare its true nature. As soon as the Jew feels himself sufficiently established in his position to be able to hold it without a disguise, he lifts the mask and suddenly appears in the character which so many did not formerly believe or wish to see: namely that of the Jew.
The life which the Jew lives as a parasite thriving on the substance of other nations and States has resulted in developing that specific character which Schopenhauer once described when he spoke of the Jew as 'The Great Master of Lies'. The kind of existence which he leads forces the Jew to the systematic use of falsehood, just as naturally as the inhabitants of northern climates are forced to wear warm clothes."



"If the Jews were the only people in the world they would be wallowing in filth and mire and would exploit one another and try to exterminate one another in a bitter struggle, except in so far as their utter lack of the ideal of sacrifice, which shows itself in their cowardly spirit, would prevent this struggle from developing.
Therefore it would be a complete mistake to interpret the mutual help which the Jews render one another when they have to fight--or, to put it more accurately, to exploit--their fellow being, as the expression of a certain idealistic spirit of sacrifice."

 

There can be no doubt, what Hitler believed about the Jews. He saw us as parasites, as an illness, as a disease, and Hitler was the cure.

 

Saying that Hitler did not hate the Jews is like saying the Earth is flat and the Sun is cold.

Most of Hitler's statements about the Jews had NOTHING to do with Communism.

 

It strikes me that the self-deception and mental distortion of Hitler is being mirrored today by our obsessed people. To a mind that needs to blame everything that bothers them on someone else, their world is a kind of fantasy- like a digital game of today where some become so addicted they believe game is real, and the role they play is actually. Such people loose sight of the principal values of life, of the obligation to fellow man, and become so obsessed with their own delusion they feel no shame at doing outrageous wrongs to others, or at flaunting and dismissing normal human values.

 

Indeed, Hitler truly had a sick, warped mind. Just look at the quotes I posted from Mein Kampf. His evil obsession with the Jews is kinda terrifying.

 

No I don't. I only believe the parts that are true.

Yes, I am capable of independent thought rather than blindly believing what Holocaust Industry & Hollywood indoctrinated sheep are trained to regurgitate without ever stopping to think if it is true or even physically possible.

For example, earlier "everybody knew" that the "evil Germans" made lampshades and pocketbooks out of human skin.
Anyone who thought otherwise was a "holocaust denier".

Then, after time, some lowly "holocaust denier" tested the "human skin" and found that the Holocaust Industry, Hollywood and Allied propagandists were lying about the "human skin" artifacts, "human fat" soap, shrunken heads and other grisly frauds.

The unsupportable stories about homicidal gas chambers, "6 million Jews murdered", a genocidal agenda are all just as fraudulent as the human skin lampshades, human skin pocketbooks, human fat soap and shrunken heads.
Like the propaganda lies about the Germans during WW 1, it just takes time for the truth to come out.

Unfortunately, the international, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry is so influential and terrified of the truth that it has criminalized any honest examination or open debate about the holocaust in approximately 16 "democracies".

The only reason anyone would want to repress honest examination and open debate is that their story is largely fraudulent.

The truth welcomes honest examination and open debate while a lie can only survive in the darkness of repressive censorship laws.

Thanks,