OK Biden/Dem voters what now?

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  1. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Wait, you have a link that proves he canceled all oil drilling leases? I would LOVE to see this link!
     
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    Well, if you take the leftist approach and ignore the fact that Covid-19 was first recorded in Dec 2019
    I'd have to go with 2019, of course, it was, at that time from eating dog and bats and had no signs of infecting humans :) Then in 2020 it was still being reported "All except for Tawain" no human-to-human transmission and still being blamed on OPEN FOOD MARKETS :) I'm sure you just missed a tiny bit of how it all unfolded ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Then again, ALL HAIL XI ;)
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    Oh please, HE RAN ON IT :roll:

    GOOD GOD MAN!
     
  4. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    What year did Trump conduct his self masturbation press conferences talking about the Covid lockdowns again? I seem to recall that all happened in 2020.
     
  5. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Ah, so no link to prove your feelings. Well color me shocked I tell ya! LMAO

    And LOL at you believing every word a politician says when they run for office. I don't remember you being upset at that yuge whopper of a lie that Mexico would pay for Trump's great wall. LMAO
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    That's because you're not as "UP" on the subject that you think you are :) Tell me bro, what does the 19 on the end of COVID represent???
     
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    Beauty ;)

    CNBC
    Biden suspends oil and gas leasing in slew of executive actions on climate change

    PUBLISHED WED, JAN 27 20211:56 PM ESTUPDATED WED, JAN 27 20212:12 PM EST

    LMAO :)
     
  8. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    The year it was first detected. Tell me bruh, what year did the entire planet shut down due to Covid 19? LMAO
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Where is you link bruh? LOL
     
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    December 2019 to be exact....all lockdown and supply chain shutdowns happened under the Trump Admin.
     
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    LMAO, YUPPP!! What year? Doesn't matter after year 2019! Beyond that, the world was polluted with COVID-19 :) You know, the one that wasn't affecting humans and only affecting those Chinese folks eating dogs and bats from filthy wet markets LOLOLOL :)
     
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    It's there ;) Right where I found it, and you too could have found it! But you'd rather be wrong than informed!! I even "Chose" one from a lefting news source, so you'd feel comfortable seeing it LMFAO

    Ruh-Roo
     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    You posted a copied headline with no link. And from Jan 2021? LMAO
     
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    LMAO

     
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    Wrong :) March 2020 was the earliest
     
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    Yes but that focus is not consistent. The divide results from differences on what the common ground should be. Basically the left supports federal government as a solution to problems and the right tends to think of federal government is a source of problems for the nation. It isn't quite that simple but it really boils down to that in the end.
     
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    State laws are passed closer to the people than federal laws. They tend to reflect the basic positions of the voters more closely. That the laws differ from state to state is a benefit to society, not a problem. Different states can experiment with new laws that others can follow if a law works out well. If people don't like a law they have the option to move to a state with a different approach to an issue. Generally the states have no tolerance for drunk driving by the way. I couldn't name a state that I would recommend to a drunk driver. The punishment may differ but there isn't much tolerance for it.

    I once hired a man who had just been released from 6 months in jail for drunk driving. He wasn't an alcoholic but had certainly messed up one evening. He turned out to be a great employee and I even sold the business to him after a few years. Our state is very intolerant and tough on drunk driving. Most of them are.
     
  18. WalterSobchak

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    Trump was POTUS in March 2020. LMAO
     
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    they were rising 15% a year pre-ObamaCare... they have not risen 15% a year post Obamacare
     
  20. Bluesguy

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    The increases had slowed dramatically and in fact reversed and insurance cost increased exponitionally after Obamacare.

    “Overall, Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) premiums actually decreased 4.6% in the four years before the ACA reforms came into effect (that is, from 2009 to 2013), but increased 46.4% in the first four years under the ACA. Point-of-Service (POS) premiums decreased 14.9% before the ACA, and increased a whopping 66.2% afterwards”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...ordable-care-act-that-increased-premiums/amp/
     
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  21. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    DUH. Once again I do not have to bbe educated on Medicare and thisnhas nothing to do with my post.

    What does that have to donwith any thing?

    No it is not andniber estimated

    "The Disparity of the Data on Medical Bankruptcies in the US
    The mentioned percentages and numbers of people affected by bankruptcies of this kind differ significantly. There are several reasons for that, and the main is that there is no requirement to declare the motive for filing bankruptcy. In return, the rates of bankruptcy due to medical bills are estimated using surveys. Moreover, different studies use different methods for defining and estimating medical debt.

    Furthermore, many people may also have:

    underlying debt
    low income
    little savings
    unsteady jobs when their medical debt piles on
    Thus, the medical bills were not the only reason for bankruptcy. The Kaiser Family Foundation study revealed that 8% of people declared bankruptcy because of the simultaneous presence of medical and other debt, whereas only 3% considered it medical debt bankruptcy alone.

    Finally, when we compare the insured to the uninsured, the former were more likely to declare bankruptcy than the latter—3% vs. 1%, respectively. Although medical insurance aims to protect people from the debt brought on by medical expenses, about one-third of the patients weren’t ready to meet unexpected related payments (deductibles, co-insurance costs, etc.)"
    https://medalerthelp.org/blog/medical-bankruptcies/

    Healthcare Costs Resulting In Bankruptcy Is An Overblown Myth

    The statistics regarding medical causes of bankruptcy, often cited as 50% or more, appear to be more myth than substance according to a new paper in NEJM. But before looking at the newer data a quick reprise of the myth’s source - a 2006 paper in Health Affairs, written in part by then Harvard Professor of Law Elizabeth Warren, that utilized bankruptcy court data and a follow-up questionnaire with those involved. A careful read of their data suggests that 28.3% of bankruptcies were due to illness or injury and while it is difficult to truly abstract it seems of these cases roughly 80% of those cases were due to lost wages as a result of the illness or injury rather than the medical bills per se. In the words of one of the authors

    “We discovered that in 2004 about two million men, women and children were swept through the bankruptcy system in the fallout of a medical problem. … A broken health care finance system is bankrupting middle class America.” Senator Elizabeth Warren (then Professor of Law at Harvard Law School)

    But if 80% of the cases were due to lost wages, wouldn’t the “fix” be to address those lost wages rather than further regulate healthcare payments? (And yes I do recognize that lost wages make it difficult to pay deductibles and copayments)....
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/03/22/healthcare-costs-resulting-bankruptcy-overblown-myth-12738
     
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    See above #246
     
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    And your point? He, like all the rest of the world were told that it was a bat, dog eating and wet market issue! How many folks, to and from the great country of China continued to spread COVID worldwide thru the months of Jan, Feb and march? All the while China, WHO and Fauci continued to hide the fact that THE MAN-made virus was and was always being spread human to human..

    I know, All hail XI, orange man BAD, and every country and world leader BAD TOO :)

    And when reality is presented, more people have died "And still dying" of COVID under ByDummy with vaccine then under Trump without one!!

    EYE'S WIDE SHUT
     
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    We have something similar in the UK. Conservatives want small government and low taxes, Labour more government intervention.
    They fight every day but I could name the major differences on one hand and the shared ideals would be counted in hundreds.

    Same in the UK, but Scotland considers anyone over 50mc is drink driving. And England 80mc. Neither amounts would show up in your driving, but be careful which roads you drive on in the borders if you've had a pint of beer.
     
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    That sounds like a consensus compared to what we have in the U.S. Our politicians fight about every detail even when they might agree if they thought about it for a while. We are hopelessly divided politically.

    I think it is good to do whatever reduces drunk driving. It kills quite a few people.
     

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