OK Biden/Dem voters what now?

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  1. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Jesus Christ. What horseshit do rightists read or watch? How can you all be so uninformed??

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/d...r gasoline exports increased,, to 113,000 b/d.

    From my link. Not your rightists source that you post here.

     
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    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

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    Current rightists just simply believe the horseshit fed to them by Daddy Trump.
     
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    the Build Back Better Bill never became law and stalled in the Senate. The compromise was the Inflation Reduction Act which included parts of the Build Back Better, but not as much spending. CHIPS Act passed with some bipartisan support and the infrastructure bill. But the biggest issue is the FY 2022 Budget. We are currently in a CR until December something. The other big issue is the Debt Ceiling Limit and that is where the GOP has leverage, for now.
     
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    mob rule can be many things - wouldn't krystalnacht be an example of "mob rule?" no one voted for the french "reign of terror."
     
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    The status quo will continue as each side will continue to blame the other for doing that which both sides do. The filibuster further ensures a continuation of the gridlock. The motto of the DNC and RNC should be do as I say, not as I do.
     
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    Sorry, I meant state borders (I.E people living on the border of Texas and Oklahoma)
    Tricky when you take into account that some states have far better resources (Oil, Gas, Arable land than others. Would they all have to pay the same amount to the federal government.
    Really sorry to hear that. Many years ago 1992 the UK government made some stupid mistakes that nearly cost me my home and business, its very frustrating when you are victim to things you have no control over. I vowed I would never vote for that party again as they clearly cared not and showed no contrition for their mistakes. (just to show I understand)
    On single term limits:
    You would lose a lot of experience by that method. What I feel the States needs is a clearer voting system at the moment it feels like many feel their vote has little effect because its so watered down by the system.
    Look at the current situation where control of the lower house has no better effect than stopping the incumbent government from doing anything. This forces elected governments to try and push everything through before the mid terms and that is not how to run a country.
     
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    Can you see the States splitting in two. A republican United States and a democrat United States, with a few swing states having to pick a side.
     
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    Yes. I also see a lot of bias, closed minds, hypocrisy and many other negatives on both sides. America would be made great if we were purple people. America will be destroyed if we become much more red and blue.
     
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    Unfortunately your elected representatives (both sides) follow the party line over what their constituents asked for. This is evident because it would be incredibly unlikely that every Dem/Gop voter all agreed on every issue of their party. So there ought to be debate and compromise in the lower house.
    More unfortunate yet. This division has been sold to the electorate as an us and them issue and has gained ground as such.
     
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    So Biden exports gasoline to China, and that’s a great thing when he’s tapping the strategic petroleum reserve, which is putting our national security at risk and price increases for fuel are pushing overall inflation. Biden’s energy policies stink. He’s tapping the strategic petroleum reserve for his political benefit, not to solve the problem.

    Just like the time when Biden said he’d be “the most progressive president ever,” during the 2020 campaign, when he said “no more drilling” (and no more oil leases) was one of the few times he has been honest with the American people. The man is a liar most of the time, but if you listen, he’ll reveal his true intentions now and then.
     
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    Not an issue. All state borders are open to other state borders.

    There is some appeal for me in having the states support federal government rather than the people but my model would continue to provide for federal taxation but, of course, it would be far far smaller than state taxes.

    It is a fairly useless experience we would lose. The staff members of former politicians would still be available as well as the bureaucracy. I would have terms staggered so that we only have a third or a quarter of the cretins elected each cycle.

    The system isn't the problem with our congress. The people and partisanship are the problem. Actually the lower house is the one with the purse. Your system is all partisan but ours focuses more on politicians. I think single term limits would clean things up a little at least. It would free politicians to do what is best for the people instead of engaging in corruption to do what is best for their re-election.

    In the end virtually every voter is focused on the details of what government does. I think we should focus on what federal government is because it looks corrupt and incompetent to me. I would like to feel like federal government is working in my interests. Instead I feel like it is an enemy. And, sadly, an enemy that I have to help support financially.
     
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    No.
     
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    fmw Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, I don't take direction from strangers on the internet. If you want a treatise on world economics, some reading would help. I doubt you will find that reading on the internet.
     
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    In other words your claim is pure crap. Thanks.
     
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    You're the expert and you are welcome.
     
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    split in 2? never. our inevitable balkanization will be considerably more thorough than that, and will have nothing to do with state boundaries ( i see louisiana as 4 or 5 states with parts of other states. california would never stay as one unit. perhaps the pacific northwest and new england would join canada. )
     
  17. Bluesguy

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    It was not my assertion but go ask Obama and Biden and the Dems it their Obamacare that has driven the cost and deductions so high.
     
  18. Bluesguy

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    Once again trying to throw it back on the Reps. What is the party with MAJORITY control willing to work with the MINORITY?
     
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    US debates over health care always perplex me, as a Canadian with universal single payer. Yes, we pay more taxes, but I can't even fathom paying what Americans pay for health care. It is truly insane what the for profit health insurance companies rake in.
     
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    Obama never got his public option he wanted.... but he did slow the rise of the cost of insurance, but that doesn't mean the problem is solved

    this was pre-Obama, the right wants people to forget about this

    "Wal-Mart Memo Suggests Ways to Cut Employee Benefit Costs " 2005

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/business/26walmart.ready.html?pagewanted=all

    "Wal-Mart executives said the memo was part of an effort to rein in benefit costs, which to Wall Street's dismay have soared by 15 percent a year on average since 2002. Like much of corporate America, Wal-Mart has been squeezed by soaring health costs. The proposed plan, if approved, would save the company more than $1 billion a year by 2011."

    "Ms. Chambers acknowledged that 46 percent of the children of Wal-Mart's 1.33 million United States employees were uninsured or on Medicaid."

    an interesting Article, Walmart claims Healthcare raising by 15% a year back in 2005 under complete republican control...
     
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    I never understood why in the US employers are expected to cover health care insurance for employees. Absent hazardous working conditions, where it makes sense, why should employers be responsible for this, and not the nation at large be responsible for it?
     
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    dems no longer have control of the house, repubs are the majority, so it depends what bipartisan bills republicans are willing to work with dems on
     
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    The Dems have 2 of the 3 bodies that is a majority control. It depends on what THEY propose.
     
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    During the 1970's wage and price controls increasing benefits was a way around them. And it's has worked fine until the Dems began mucking around with it.
     
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    Obamacare is what drove the cost UP not down. Especially for private insurance which many had to drop entirely and self insure.
     

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