Black Reparations.

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    In your opinion though, should that £70b be given back to German children who had nothing to do with the war? (If you had the power to do so)
     
  2. Woolley

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    You do understand that the price of oil is a global one and not remotely related to Biden, Trump or any other POTUS? We actually have very moderate inflation rates...

    https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/PCPIPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

    Your claims about others managing their fiscal and monetary policies does require a bit more detail than simply a declaration....
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    You do understand that had we kept our production up and expanded capabilities even more we could have not only kept supply up but also help insulate ourselves. Biden's policies have been the exact opposite.
     
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    That's wasn't what he was saying. I'm surprised you don't get it.
     
  5. Pycckia

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    What do you think he was saying?
     
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    So yes you do.
     
  7. Woolley

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    OK, now I realize I am talking with someone with a political axe to grind rather than someone who understands global supply chains and the current worldwide inflationary cycle. It is quite informative to grasp that outside of the right wing world in America, citizens across the world answer the following question with very common responses:

    Who or what is responsible for inflation today?

    Answer: COVID and Russia's war with Ukraine.

    No one in Greece, Italy or Germany responds with : Biden and the Fed.
     
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  8. FreshAir

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    so any issues from this point are Republicans fault now, not Biden's
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    No dodging and dancing

    Try again.

    Bush and the Reps handed the Dems full employment, rising incomes, a rising LFPR, record revenue increases and a paltry $161B deficit heading to surplus. What exactly did they screw up?

    Two years later with the Dems taking the WH too the deficit hit $1,400B and stayed over $1,000B for the next three years (the Rep austerity and sequester bills being what finally cut it), unemployment went to 10% and stayed over 8% for the next FORTY-THREE months in spite of Obama's claim his HUGE stimulus bill would hold it to just 8% and then rapidly fall.

    So where did the Dems actually succeed at anything?
     
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    And I realize I am talking with someone who can refute what I posted so engages in the ad hominem.

    Here in the US, Biden's energy and fiscal policy starting with his completely unnecessary COVID stimulus spending which also extended payments to able bodied people to not go back to work.

    We were already recovering from COVID when he took office and what inflation that would have occurred from the earlier spending could have been mitigated with the growth coming out of that recovery. Biden so that he could say LOOK HOW I SAVED YOU passed his totally unnecessary $1.9B paid people not to go back to work so supply would increase and we got Bidenflation.

    I should hope not they should deal with their own Ministers of Finance and Energy.
     
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    Are you denying they were AT THE TIME? They are not now, certainly not by you or me, but at the time were slaves consider property under the law? YES. Simple history.
     
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    Convincing YOU!
    Example: ObamaCare


    Moi :oldman:
     
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    Couldn’t care less what Germany does with their money. I only care what this country does with my money. And reparations for slavery is moronic. And below is what I feel about people trying to make me feel guilty about it. I feel ZERO guilt for what dead people did who had nothing to do with me. I’m more concerned about who still owns and trades slaves now. Certainly NOT WHITE PEOPLE.

     
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    Bush crashed the economy, not dems, where you been?
     
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    Reparations for Holocaust is moronic
     
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    Most people have no idea how much the Germans have already paid to the Jewish people before, during and especially after WW 2.

    The $100 Billion + (and counting) to the Holocaust Claims Commission is just the tip of the iceberg.

    Even during WW 2, the SS helped train and supply Jews for life in Palestine(1) and in addition to the Haavara Agreement(2) and Ankara Document, Germany had quite a few Zionist agreements with Germany's National Socialist Party (NSP) that were beneficial to the Zionist cause in Palestine.

    It was immediately after the war that the Germans built virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure:(3) railroads and the trains to go on them, water purification plants, electric power plants, highways and a gift of 60 ships.

    Israel wasn't initially the regional nuclear superpower it is now but its early survival was guaranteed by a steady and reliable supply of cost free German weaponry(4).

    I've even seen standard issue, WW 2 German made rifles with the star of David stamped right next to the swastika & eagle stamp.

    Today, a simple Google search of "German aid to Israel" lists so many different forms and types of monetary aid that it is impossible to reach a total especially because more money is demanded by Israel on a regular basis.

    Re:
    Of course all people should be treated equally in an ideal world.

    The primary difference between Holocaust related fraud and medical, insurance and divorce related fraud is that there are not lobbying organizations like the Holocaust Claims Commission (HCC) that coach individuals on how to cheat hospitals, insurance companies and one's former spouse and then receive kickbacks from the money extorted.

    Additionally, Holocaust related fraud slanders people who are unable to defend themselves without violating draconian Holocaust denial laws.

    Finally, it was a tenured Jewish professor who coined the term "Holocaust Industry". I suspect that he chose the word "Industry" to cover the numerous organizations whose goal is to extract money from today's younger Germans regardless of their guilt.

    Thanks,



    "The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering"
    https://www.amazon.com/Holocaust-Industry-Reflections-Exploitation-Suffering/dp/1781685614

    EXCERPT "Recalling Holocaust fraudsters such as Jerzy Kosiński and Binjamin Wilkomirski, as well as the demagogic constructions of writers like Daniel Goldhagen, Finkelstein contends that the main danger posed to the memory of Nazism’s victims comes from some of the very people who profess most passionately to defend it. Drawing on a wealth of untapped sources, he exposes the double shakedown of European countries and legitimate Jewish claimants, and concludes that the Holocaust industry has become an outright extortion racket." CONTINUED


    (1) "Blowback"
    America's recruitment of Nazis,
    and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy

    https://thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Brunner_B_CS.html

    EXCERPT " Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run recruiting and training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. Polkes and the Haganah, in return, agreed to provide the SS with intelligence about British affairs in Palestine. Captured German records claim that Polkes believed the increasingly brutal Nazi persecution of the Jews could be turned to Zionist advantage-at least temporarily-by compelling Jewish immigration to Palestine, and that the Haganah commander's sole source of income, moreover, was secret funds from the SS."


    (2) "Facts about Haavara (Transfer) Agreement between Ben-Gurion & Hitler (1933 - late 39)"
    https://www.palestineremembered.com/FactsAboutHaavara.html

    EXCERPT "Haavara (Transfer) Agreement was a financial instrument that was negotiated between David Ben-Gurion & Hitler few months after the Nazis rose to power early 1933, and it continued non-stop (even after Nuremberg Laws & Kristallnacht pogrom) until December 1941. This financial instrument was designed to:
    • Relief Nazi Germany from the crippling spontaneous worldwide boycott & rise in unemployment that hit Germany soon after Hitler became the chancellor early 1933
    • Stimulate German economy and to decrease unemployment by selling German goods in the Middle East & North Africa, and above all
    • To help Nazis implement their racists policies that aimed to "cleanse" Germany of its Jewish citizens and to dispossess them from their wealth (valued at 10-12 billion Reichsmarks as of 1932-3) as much as possible.
    In return, Zionists channeled a fraction of the liquidated German Jewish wealth to build the foundation of their "Jewish state" 15 years ahead of its time. From Zionist, Israeli sources and NYTimes, we shall shortly prove how and why Zionists thought of themselves first & last; and "saving" Europe's Jews was way secondary." CONTINUED


    (3) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship”
    http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/

    EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry.

    In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED


    (4) “German-Israeli Armaments Cooperation”
    http://www.bits.de/public/articles/cast06-02.htm

    EXCERPT “Israel profited from cooperation by having a reliable and quick source for spare parts and complete weapon systems – even in times of war, when other nations like the United States, Great Britain and France were more restrictive in supplying arms to Israel. Another advantage was the willingness of the German government to pay for these exports to Israel."CONTINUED
     
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    What Bluesguy said is not possible in reality.
    All oil is sold through the markets, and most often the futures markets.
    These markets set the price for oil across the world at any one time.
    You can't just drill the oil and internalise its use because the price changes all the time and both personal and huge corporate investors want the best price they can get for it, not even considering the cost of producing it. As do the oil companies themselves who rely on the value of their sales on that open market.
     
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    Biden paid people NOT to go back to work so supply increased and this caused inflation???
    When supply outstrips demand you get prices going DOWN,not up.
    And how does a smaller workforce create MORE SUPPLY?
     
  19. Bluesguy

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    No putting them back to work instead of paying them not would have increased supply and quelled inflation, he did the opposite.

    YES and when you pay people not to work supply goes down so prices go UP.

    Go ask Biden and he Dems.
     
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    The Dems took back the Congress a YEAR before the economy tanked and they did nothing leading up to it. Bush got TARP which prevent a total financial collapse and was paid back early and with interest. What did the Dems do to mitigate the slowdown which lead to the recession and then get us into a full recovery other than their failed stimulus which shot the deficit from the Republican $161B to $1,400B in just two years?
     
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    Tell that to all the people who saw their premiums skyrocket and their deductibles double along with their out of pocket expenses. By Obama own goal did Obamacare save everyone $2500 a year? Was everyone able to keep the same insurance they had?

    And what did Obamacare have to do with the economy and it's recovery? What was their success there?
     
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    Now yes. Stupid. Right afterwards when the war ended? More logical. The govt literally stole property, assets and lives. There are records.

    But Slavery??? Go sue the world? It was all individuals doing shitty things EVERYWHERE. Can’t track it all down. Can’t prosecute anyone because they’re all long dead. Can’t cast blame. Can’t prove slavery hurt you NOW, because it’s impossible. Too much time has passed.

    Hey, go to CA and keep stealing less than $900 and eventually you can get your reparations. You deserve it. Ty oss store owners owe you.
     
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    the holocaust??? Go sue the world? It was all individuals doing shitty things EVERYWHERE. Can’t prosecute german children. Can’t cast blame. Can’t prove holocaust hurt you NOW, because it’s impossible. everyone suffered.
     
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    I never treat blogs as forums where I put in time and effort to educate people that obviously have no clue what they are talking about yet insist on showcasing their lack of knowledge publicly and then demand that their opponent teach them what they have failed to learn on their own. I am not your professor, I am simply telling you that you have no clue what is causing worldwide inflation or you do know but are a partisan hack who wants to blame Biden for it.
     
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    so you will blame any issues after Republicans take over Congress on republicans

    lack of regulations under bush caused that, as they felt the market would police themselves

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/business/worldbusiness/21iht-admin.4.18853088.html

    "From his earliest days in office, Bush paired his belief that Americans do best when they own their own homes with his conviction that markets do best when left alone. Bush pushed hard to expand home ownership, especially among minority groups, an initiative that dovetailed with both his ambition to expand Republican appeal and the business interests of some of his biggest donors. But his housing policies and hands-off approach to regulation encouraged lax lending standards."
     
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