High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense

    Accordingly, instruction on the topics enumerated in
    282 this section and supporting materials must be consistent with
    283 the following principles of individual freedom:
    284 (a)No individual is inherently racist, sexist, or
    285 oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously, solely by
    286 virtue of his or her race or sex.
    287 (b)No race is inherently superior to another race.
    288 (c)No individual should be discriminated against or
    289 receive adverse treatment solely or partly on the basis of race,
    290 color, national origin, religion, disability, or sex.
    291 (d)Meritocracy or traits such as a hard work ethic are not
    292 racist but fundamental to the right to pursue happiness and be
    293 rewarded for industry.
    294 (e)An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex,
    295 does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past
    296 by other members of the same race or sex.
    297 (f)An individual should not be made to feel discomfort,
    298 guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on
    299 account of his or her race.
    300
    301 Instructional personnel may facilitate discussions and use
    302 curricula to address, in an age-appropriate manner, the topics
    303 of sexism, slavery, racial oppression, racial segregation, and
    304 racial discrimination, including topics relating to the
    305 enactment and enforcement of laws resulting in sexism, racial
    306 oppression, racial segregation, and racial discrimination.
    307 However, classroom instruction and curriculum may not be used to
    308 indoctrinate or persuade students to a particular point of view
    309 inconsistent with the principles of this subsection or state
    310 academic standards.
     
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    Can't argue that. My first guess he is running for the nomination and is building up his campaign fodder. My second guess, I really don't know why he is so involved in the minutia of it all, usually with states the size of FL it gets laborious to engage at that level.
     
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    These things are not minutiae to DeSantis or conservatives. We view them as negative societal changes. Things like CRT and 1619 are very big deals to the right. But laws are not the answer. In his shoes I would find whomever is launching these programs in schools and find them another job. He needs to fix the problems, not make political issues with them.
     
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    Seems like a lot of fuss over petty issues. Society is always changing or fluid might be a better term. Trying to legislatively stopping it won't work in the long run, i.e., look what happened in KS for abortion.

    Seems society has moved on from that and the far greater majority prefers choice.
     
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    He should be passing anti-math legislation because if we have learned anything from the superior left, its that MATH IS RACIST
     
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    You can't get rid of them due to public sector unions. The only solution is to regulate it for better or worse.
     
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    I said find them another job. It would be one without influence for curriculum.
     
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    Indoctrinating children in schools isn't petty.
     
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    You want to promote them? Because you can't demote them.
     
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    I want them out of the curriculum business. Otherwise I don't care what happens.
     
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    Conspiracies are
     
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    I suppose some are.
     
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    You want to talk about indoctrinating children, how about the LDS church.
     
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    LDS isnt publicly funded.
     
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    Ask mom and dad to take them?
     
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    they are wealth transfers if you have more than one child or immediate relative, and they are deferred accounts which means any earnings are not taxed until withdrawn if withdrawn. you also have Coverdell. Savings Accounts are for primary and secondary education. We basically borrowed these from the Canadians
     
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    I am not qualified to teach Japanese Culture. I know a few who are though that are not Japanese. Second, you do realize that DeSantis has banned those books you mentioned, especially W.E.B. Dubois, Angela Davis, Linda Gordon, and Malcom X. Thomas Sowell is not someone I would use to teach economics, too political and confuses the students on the true elements of basic macro and micro economics. MLK is also on the cutting block, most of him. In facf, in Social Studies, they are ignoring the entire Civil Rights Movement from 1865 to the 1960s.
     
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    That is how the GOP is defining CRT nowadays. Any racism to be discussed is barred from the Woke Act per Florida law. Teaching the Holocaust without teaching the racism behind it is like trying to teach science without teaching the theory.
     
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    I am all for accuracy in history, social studies, math, English, Literature, etc. But the GOP is mucking things up with their definition of "CRT" and they are not even getting that right.
     
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    The students have standing. But right now, it is just a threat. If it does go, then it should go to federal court, not state court. Less influence by DeSantis on the judiciary.
     
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    A. No is teaching one race is superior or not unless you want to talk about the aspect of Nazism, which does exactly that. Second, if you read it, if a white person think that it makes him or her feel uncomfortable, then it will not be taught. Hence why Malcom X and MLK will definitely fit into that category by certain people with certain political beliefs.

    I would suggest you read AND understand what the law says.
     
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    I would argue they don't. The schools aren't doing them from learning anything.
    That would violate the 10th amendment.
     
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    Having a cultural studies course that suggests only one race is important enough to study is saying that it's superior. Removing this would be defying Nazism.

    There are no Asian or white American studies.

    Why are schools allowed to hate everyone else but black people?
    It's banning racial supremacy. That's a good thing.

    Now if we could remove the sexism against boys that would be good.
     
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    That is not what the Cultural Studies course is about or importance. There are unique factors within Hispanic, Asian, and African-American courses. From the UAB website, it says as one of its core values, "Provide a program of in-depth study of African American experiences in the Western world, including origins and cultural contributions globally, that illuminates the complexity of race and the African American experience." If you look at the other two objectives in the site, plus the third objective, nothing is about superiority. It is about the experiences that this subgroup has received in the history of our country, some good, and some bad. Care to guess what the bad was?
     
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    If they are being harmed or perceived to be harmed, then they have standing. Period.

    Second, the 10th does not apply if it is the 14th amendment, especially the substantial due process clause.
     

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