High schoolers threaten to sue DeSantis over ban of African American studies course

Probably not, Republican politicians seldom give black Americans any very good reason for voting for them.
Nevertheless, DeSantis consistently acts to draw support from the DP core base.
He is smart -- compared to most Republicans in office.

 

The existing American education system cannot be fixed. It is an obsolete failed relic of the 19th century and should be scrapped.

IMO, this sort of approach would be very popular with parents, guardians and teachers across the spectrum:

1. Transfer the entire education budget to vested parent/guardian controlled targeted use accounts and let them choose teachers and schools for their children - $14K -$27K/student/year in most school systems.
2. Let teachers form their own small schools 15- 20 students for each teacher from homes offices etc. Larger schools for groups of teachers also be viable.
3. This approach would eliminate administrative parasites including the school boards.
4. Permit teachers to use public domain resources available from the internet.
5. Teachers who are able to control and educate "problem" students could charge far more for their special talent.
6. Existing public and private schools if they could still convince the stakeholders to choose them would survive. IMO, most would be replaced quickly by smaller teacher run alternatives.
7. Test the results. Schools that fail should loose their access to funding.

Teachers would make much more money and have plenty of surplus cash to provide children with access to computers, HD monitors, and a healthy lunch.

The first faction to start pushing for that kind of change will instantly become a politically irresistible force.

 

Opposing CRT will work rather well for the otherwise hapless RP -- especially for DeSantis.
Black Americans would support teaching "black history" that focused on the truth and nothing but the truth. CRT is not concerned with an accurate account.

“The majority of Americans have an unfavorable view of critical race theory, a new poll shows. The Economist/YouGov poll released on Wednesday showed 58 percent of Americans polled find the controversial circulum somewhat or very unfavorable. Only 38 percent said they viewed critical race theory favorably.”

“The majority of Black people surveyed find critical race theory to be at least somewhat favorable at 68 percent. Only 31 percent of white people find it to be at least somewhat favorable. Critical race theory is most unpopular in the South, according to the poll. Fifty-eight percent of Southerners polled find it to be very unfavorable and 5 percent say it's somewhat unfavorable.

Those who responded they had an idea of what critical race theory is also were asked whether they believed it was good for the county or bad. Fifty-five percent of respondents replied it was bad, while 37 percent said it was good and 8 percent were indifferent.”
NEWSWEEK, The Economist/YouGov Poll, Majority of Americans Hold Negative View of Critical Race Theory Amid Controversy, By Zoe Karen Hill, 6/16/21.
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-a...critical-race-theory-amid-controversy-1601337

 

Your own source says almost 70% of black Americans have a somewhat positive view on it. That's a majority, bro.

 

Oh pff. You sure are showing me how your alternative reality is true.

 

It's just the uncomfortable truth on who did what to who, because of racism.

 

What will actually happen is the AP program sponsored and ran by the College board will no longer be offered in any public or private school in Florida. Then DeSantis will try to come up with his own based on patriotism and not education which will fall flat on his face.

 

For starters, that is already happening. They are called charter schools. Many of those schools are created either by parents or former teachers and some business people as well.

Second, education is a business. First and foremost. If you look at the "best high schools" in the country, one thing in generall will be relevant, an outstanding football team that rakes in money for the school. And that too is big business.

Third, politicians are getting in the way of education. Politicians don't listen and they don't understand what is being taught and why. They are not liking what is taught and they are not liking who is teaching them, hence the "culture war on education by the far right" has done more damage to our educational system than anything else.

If you give parents money, most of them won't spend it on education. That is already happening in Louisiana which as a total state voucher program. It really has not done anything to improve the educational system in five years or so and it is getting worse.

There is no discipline in public schools because parents do not want third parties to discipline them, even when its obvious and some of them don't discipline their chilren even at home, which makes the problem worse. That is not the government, that is our societal problem, period.

Private schools are as variety as public schools ranging from private schools with signficant religious inroads to securlar private schools. The securlar private schools are the ones who are at the top of the tier and cost $$$$$$ to get in and stay there. And they are very selective who they let in even if they have financial aid to offer.

Texas is now leading the way to get rid of annual tests and say they don't need them. That is the GOP talking and going back to social promotion ranks in the school system. I think there should be a national test in the 12th grade on all primary subjects: English, Math, Science, History, Social Studies, Reading, logic/critical thinking, and a foreign language that their school offers whichever that may be. The questions will not be allowed to the teachers in order to teach the test, just broad subject material in each area that I listed. History will be US history and state history of the state they reside in at the 12th grade. If they pass, they get the diploma. Passing is 80% for each subject. If they don't pass, they don't get the diploma from high school. The test won't be impossible, but it won't be easy either. It means you have gone to school, listened, read the textbooks, understood the basic principles taught to you, and so forth.

 

You talked about DeSatnis "going out of his way to remove AA studies." Well how can he REMOVE the studies if they were never in place to begin with?

 

Clearly it's a big deal to him if he's even referencing it, and that goes along with him wanting certain books banned from libraries. Not that people couldn't just go to another library or bookstore or Amazon and get the same thing there.

 

Read again, start here:

"1. Transfer the entire education budget to vested parent/guardian controlled targeted use accounts and let them choose teachers and schools for their children - $14K -$27K/student/year in most school systems.
2. Let teachers form their own small schools 15- 20 students for each teacher from homes offices etc. Larger schools for groups of teachers also be viable.
3. This approach would eliminate administrative parasites including the school boards."

Not at all like charter schools, and not public schools. Think massive transfer of wealth.

 

Perhaps, but that assumes that DeSantis is a very stupid politician.

 

I did read it.

1. What makes you think parents will spend that money on education? Controlled, targeted-use accounts is simply an account to defer income, not spend on education. 529 plans are already in existence. And most parents put money into that program but the kid goes and does something else, which means, it is either stuck there or taken out with a penalty. Richer parents will afford the penalty on the tax return.
2. As i said, some teachers have done that in the form of a charter school. Charter schools are a form of public education but without the beauracry that comes with traditional public schools.
.3. There will still be a "school board" but it will be at every school. Even in New Zealand, which has a traditional Libertarian form of government for schools has school boards of teachers and parents. Here, besides school boards, you have PTA's and other things. The problem is that some parents, for one reason or another, cannot attend these because they are working or doing other things. We no longer live in a society as a whole where everyone works 9-5 and everything shuts down at 6pm. Small towns and some rural areas have that, but not all

The proposals you made still does not address the core issues on education, namely what to teach and to what extent to teach. We would all be better off if politicians at the state and federal level just get the hell out of the way and let the teacher's do their job for once and not have them walk on egg shells.

 

It is not a question of smart or stupidity, it is that he DeSantis will make AP another example of "patriot educationalism" which will make the kids, even more, ignorant of the subject matter. Their only defense would be "fake news" because it did not fit into the myopic point of view that DeSantis has.

 

Bingo. Teachers should drive home the point and the game DeSantis is playing to support his political ambitions.

 

Keep talking.

DeSantis is a demagogue.

 

Read again, See "targeted use accounts" -- not vouchers.

 

Again you are assuming that DeSantis is a stupid politician.
A smart politician would support black American history instruction that addressed the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

Eliminating CRT will be a "big deal" for DeSantis politically. It will expand his support across the spectrum. CRT is not even well supported by black Americans for reasons that should be obvious by now.

 

Yeah, that's not true at all.

 

Given the numbers DiSantis's decision to bar CRT will expand his support in the black American community where 32% do not find CRT even "somewhat favorable".
There is very little support for CRT. DeSantis's attacks on CRT, like his attack on Disney, will help him politically in FL and the rest of the US.

"The majority of Black people surveyed find critical race theory to be at least somewhat favorable at 68 percent."
https://www.newsweek.com/majority-a...critical-race-theory-amid-controversy-1601337

 

I literally just showed you that.

 

Then you should know that those numbers indicate that DeSantis's decision to hit CRT will help him politically.
Whenever over 30% of black Americans agree with the position of an RP politician it helps -- a lot.
Of course the fact that the rest of the voter spectrum is also overwhelmingly opposed to CRT helps even more.

 

You seem to be under the impression that it applies to all libraries in the State, not just school libraries.

 

Queer theory.