THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    Its not a 'what'. You mean 'for whom' because therein lies your answer.
     
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  2. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Indeed!
     
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    straight ahead Well-Known Member

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    This aged well. :applause:
     
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    It appears yet another former general who was recently fired by Putin has died from an "accident" just two weeks after getting fired. No word on how he died but my money is on falling out of a ten story building like so many others in Russia. Also Pregozin and Wagner group are now officially on the outs with Putin. Putin has banned them from recruiting from prisons (the Russian army will now form forced prisoner units) and all mention of either Pregozin or Wagner Group is now forbidden on state run media. The dictator never wants anyone to be more popular than he is.
     
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    I reckon Putin is just throwing away his civilians to the meat grinder on the front line as an entire marine 5,000 man battalion got slaughtered in one day while in Vuhledar as reports were the Russians are forcing their conscripts to charge en masse into heavy enemy fire. At one point, all the Russians on the battlefield jumped out of 30 vehicles and ran towards the Ukrainians in surrender. Evidently, Putin really has no loyalty amongst his men as long as he makes sure his wagner and generals keep a gun pointed at his own soldiers at all times to force them to die on the front lines.
     
  6. Durandal

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    7 hr 13 min ago
    Exclusive: Russian fighter’s final message shines light on Moscow’s new recruitment strategy

    From CNN's Nick Paton Walsh, Darya Tarasova and Jo Shelley


    The audio is garbled at times, but the emotions are unmistakable.

    “I am being taken to be shot. I lost a lot of people there. Remember this: do not send more people here. It’s enough, they want to kill us all.”

    It is the last message Viktor Sevalnev would send. A convict, who had been in jail for armed robbery and assault, he was sent from prison to fight for Russia in Ukraine. After most of his colleagues died in an assault on a factory outside Soledar, it was the act of survival that proved fatal to Sevalnev.

    In a last message to his wife, he said he feared officials from the Russian Ministry of Defense would soon take him from his hospital bed, where he recorded the audio message, and execute him. Days later, his body was returned to his wife in Moscow, in a closed coffin.

    Sevalnev’s callous fate joins a growing list of complaints of abuse from convicts whom CNN has spoken to. For months, Russia has been using the shadowy private mercenary company Wagner to bolster its frontline presence with prisoners – a scheme at first denied and secretive, but then openly promoted by Wagner’s owner, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

    However, Sevalnev and several prisoners CNN has spoken to seem to indicate a disturbing new strategy. They say they were directly employed by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Read the full story here.

    Live updates: https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-2-14-23/index.html
     
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  7. ToughTalk

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    LOL. In all fairness. Russia can't be having all these prisoners being freed into the general public again...
     
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    How dare Viktor Sevalnev not die for supreme Fuhrer Putin! Take em to the back to be shot!

    Putin cares so much for his civilians that he is shooting his own people for a piece of land and alleged Ukrainian atrocity against a couple thousand Russian Seperatists. With defectors included, Putin lost a million civilians to avenge alleged 10k deaths over the last 8 years.
     
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    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human life has never been valuable to the men who have occupied the Kremlin, and from day one the current occupant has been no different.....

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    Exclusive: Ex-Russian military bomber engineer seeks asylum at U.S. border, offers military secrets
    Government officials told Yahoo News that the man was deemed credible and potentially of interest to the U.S.

    Jana Winter·Investigative Correspondent
    Mon, February 13, 2023 at 4:07 PM CST

    A Russian military bomber engineer drove up to the U.S. Southwest border in late December, asking for asylum and offering to reveal some of Russia’s most closely guarded military secrets, according to an unclassified Customs and Border Protection report obtained by Yahoo News.

    The man and his family arrived in an armored SUV and asked to be admitted into the U.S. because he feared persecution for participating in anti-Putin protests in support of Alexei Navalny, an imprisoned Russian dissident. He then told CBP officials that he had information wanted by the U.S. government.

    He said he was a civil engineer and that “his past employment had included working ... from 2018 to 2021 in the making of a particular type of military airplane at the Tupolev aircraft production facility in the city of Kazan in west-central Russia,” according to a Jan. 11 unclassified CBP report obtained by Yahoo News.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-ex...border-offers-military-secrets-220728915.html

    Will he get asylum? I'm guessing he will.
     
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    Is it Scott Ritter? lol.
     
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    ricmortis Well-Known Member

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    20k Russians have already been granted asylum so I think it is a given.
     
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    How many Americans are rushing to move to Russia right now?
     
  14. Durandal

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    Not even Bill would seriously consider that, which speaks volumes.
     
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  15. Durandal

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    Update from Ukraine | Great! Ukraine took the ground back near Bakhmut


    Another smoking accident in Russia. This time a building where research related to Russian cruise missile guidance systems apparently went up in flames.
     
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    WRONG ! rather the "twisted logic" originates in the blind acceptance
    ........................ of what YOUR accepted Authorities tell YOU

    "Blind belief in authority is the greatest enemy of truth" — Albert Einstein





    Back in 2019 the PENTAGON funded Rand Corp think tank outlined its plans
    to USE the Ukraine to provoke Russia into a conflict that would "overextend,
    .....Unbalance" and hopefully destroy (decolonize) Russia. & thus THEY made
    ............................................................... a clear Existential Threat to that Nation.
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    Rand Report Prescribes US Provocations Against Russia
    https://popularresistance.org/rand-report-prescribed-us-provocations-against-russia/

    Conspiracy to Provoke the Ukraine War Was All Written In the

    Rand Corp Plan Titled "Overextending And Unbalancing Russia"
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/2022/03/ukraine-it-was-all-written-in-the-rand-corp-plan/
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    How could any rational person expect Russia NOT to react to such a Threat ?

    NATO has even repeatedly admitted that the Minsk Accords where simply
    a diversion to buy time, to allow the arming & training of the Ukrainian NAZI
    inspired and controlled Government. And that NATO is NOW in a Proxy War
    ........................................................................................................................ with Russia.
    ___________________________________________________

    German Foreign Minister Admits: ‘We Are At War With Russia…’


    https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2023/01/25/german-foreign-minister-we-are-at-war-with-russia/
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    Minsk Deal Was Used To Buy Time – Ukraine's Poroshenko
    https://www.rt.com/russia/557307-poroshenko-comments-minsk-agreement/

    Merkel: Minsk Agreements Were Meant To "Give Ukraine Time"
    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/merkel:-minsk-agreement-attempted-to-give-ukraine-time

    Merkel's Admits To NATO Duplicity In Using The Minsk Accords:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...ity-minsk-accords-cold-war-20-just-got-colder

    ____________________________________________________



    What more proof do YOU need that purposeful provocative American policy
    was & IS an Existential Threat to Russia and resulted in the invasion



    And the best YOU Ghouls can do, (rather than deal with any of the substantive issues
    that might mitigate this Catastrophe and bring about Peace,) is to wallow in the supposed
    mountains of Dead Russian Bodies seemingly unaware & Ignorant of the horrendous
    costs that -YOU- have brought upon the favoured Nation Of The Ukraine.

    God HELP YOU Dinosaurs when YOU are finally forced to realize YOUR Complicity
    .................... in this Atrocity and that the BLOOD does NOT wash off
    ................................................................. [​IMG]

    .
     
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  17. Durandal

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    More blah blah, America made Putin do it, blah blah blah...

    Putler is responsible for his actions, and he started it in 2014 when he decided to take Crimea from Ukraine by force in violation of international laws and treaties. He wasn't "provoked" by us any more than Hitler was provoked into invading neighboring countries and trying to annex their territories. You're making excuses for an imperialist authoritarian little peckerhead who is living in the past and trying to bring it back into the present.
     
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    Whoops. Seems Nato drones can't talk anymore.

    Don't fall for the propaganda like ignorant astronauts

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  19. Eadora

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  20. Durandal

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    Musk has proven to be a weak-minded fool when it comes to Russia's manipulation tactics. Only the weak-minded would fall for Russia's WW3 propaganda.
     
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    You've finally made a post I can agree with.
     
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    'Staggering' number of Russian troops killed | General Petraeus
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Wagner is losing in Bakhmut | Big Trouble for Prigozhyn
     
  24. Bob Newhart

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    I think Ukraine may have been using the Starlink satellites to perform the deep strikes into Russian territory and possibly Crimea. Starlink satellite dishes con be installed on and work on mobile platforms. However, Elon Musk does not want them turned into the guts of a guided missile. I agree with his viewpoint that Starlink should not be used in this way. The U.S. has many missiles it can provided to Ukraine which would work far better and if Elon Musk continued to allow Starlink to be used in this manner, he would fall afoul of not only Russian but U.S. law.

    The U.S. military should be providing Ukraine with guided missiles - not Elon Musk or Starlink. While I do not always agree with Mr. Musk, I don't think blaming him for Ukraine military not having guided missiles or communications is helpful. The U.S. military has plenty in storage to give them.
     
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    Watching the anti-Russian fanatics and lunatics experience a collective meltdown when Kiev's military inevitably collapses is going to be epic. Can't wait.
     
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