Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    "It works incredibly well -maybe 95% -
    It works incredibly well!"

    Back on topic, Trump's savvy genius is screwed because President Biden is leading NATO against the assault upon democracy.


     
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  2. Bill Carson

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    I see the peanut gallery is deflecting as usual. Nothing to say about the American merc that ratted out the ukie nazis? Or just concentrating on the pud pull back slap censored is not censored shell game?

    Time to get real about ukraine.
     
  3. Durandal

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    Speaking of having nothing to say,

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    Care to translate what your buddy Rogozin's sign says there, Bill? Or do you need some help?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you posting moronic Trump quotes to me - and since when has Trump been the pinnacle of "Truth" ?? Even the most stauch Maga fan should guffaw at that one ? and always remember .. my arguments against the Reality TV Show clown are far better than yours.

    That said ? What does any of this lost down some rabbit hole nonense have to do with censorship in the west / western media ?

    Don't tell me you been drinking the Kool-aid without reading the label as well Natty .. thought better of your aptitude in such things .. are you seriously unaware of censorship in the west ? .. went completely deer in headlights on that one you did ? I don't think so .. so what is your angle Bumper .. what is it you wish to confide to the one from which you can't hide :)
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    I post documented facts.

    Your ideological dogma may differ.
     
  6. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The media has a responsibility to report the truth, not the crap you believe. Their credentials are on the line, whereas the fake news outlets you consume make their money precisely by being dishonest. Their audiences (you and others like you) have different expectations of them, i.e. these audiences expect to get more kooky lies and disinformation that support their existing beliefs, not factual reporting that may challenge those views.
     
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    Ukraine’s 'bravest soldier' single-handedly takes on Russian tank from trenches


    :salute: Balls of Azovstal right there.
     
  8. Durandal

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    Belarusian battalion fire grenade launchers from Humvee on Ukrainian battlefield


    Yeah, you read that right. Belarusians fighting for Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!
     
  9. Bill Carson

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    The media only reports the truth until big daddy MIC/Deep State says otherwise. And they said otherwise about ukie land a year ago. [​IMG]
    Found those WMDs in Iraq yet my friend? How many times you catch covid after your multi-jab?
     
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    Good for you .. I do too. What fact did you post that you figure differs from my ideological dogma ?

    What is it bumper .. what is it you wish to confide ..to the one from which you can not hide ? :bounce:
     
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  11. Durandal

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    Well?
     
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    Ukraine: Russian Army Doesn't Understand Mines
     
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    How Russia Killed a Town in Ukraine
     
  14. Jack Hays

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    Russian aggression against Ukraine starting in 2014 and culminating in the 2022 invasion. Fortunately, it will all end in Russian defeat.
     
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    lol





    That's a 500M aircraft taken out by a 20 dollar drone in Belarus. How embarrassing.
     
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    Yeah, the truth. Like Biden just sent 100k Russian mothers a casket. Killed by Made in the USA bombs.

    Now the truth would be telling the American public of the possible consequences of 100k Russians killed in their name.

    Do you really think Russians are going to lose 100k, and not retaliate massively? And if so, how many Russians can we kill before they do? Do ya think we could kill 2M of them? Maybe 4M? And they'll just sit there huh?

    But the narrative from the media includes no mention of any threat to America with Biden's course. They have risked us greatly by unnecessarily challenging Putin, and they are lying about that risk.
     
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    The agressors are the ones attempting to surround Russia with their weapons.

    The Ukrainians and Americans were talking NATO well before Russia invaded.

    NATO isn't the EU, or the African Union, or even the United States. NATO is an explicit military alliance. Joining a military alliance is irrelevant to the concept of soveriegnty. In fact, constant statements and action toward joining a military alliance, especially if the rival of that alliance borders you, is of itself an aggressive act.

    The US and Ukraine are the obvious aggressors,
     
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  19. Durandal

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    Lol. Because the little dickhead who started the war bears no responsibility for those Russian deaths, right? It's all on us for helping Ukrainians defend their country.
     
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    Nonsense. The only reason Russia is "surrounded" is because Russian behavior caused all Russia's neighbors to seek protection.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-about-ukraine.608401/page-19#post-1074065594
    Then this applies to you too.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-about-ukraine.608401/page-18#post-1074064658
     
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    Just heard Russia's top lawmaker said he was introducing amendments to a wartime censorship law that would increase the penalty for discrediting the army from five to 15 years in jail and extend the law to cover the Wagner mercenary force.

    At least living in the States, Bill, you can criticize our leaders, their military and the population all you want with true Freedom. In Russia, you would be doing at least 5 for your anti-american style rant. But, with your choice of words, it is obvious you live in Russia. FYI, Every country is corrupt, about every single politician in every single country is corrupt. Mankind is corrupt. Some of us just try harder to be better like USA vs Russia. If Russia wasn't run by a brutal dictatorship, I am sure it would be a great place. Too bad for their citizens to deal with that. Good try though.
     
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    https://twitter.com/MagaMemeWizard/status/1631284134881513474?t=ElnacTTHFWXvuCHcIzVYAA&s=19

    " Zelensky says that NATO should preemptively strike with a nuke to keep Russia from using theirs"

    Except that even if Putin himself is killed. Along with all the leadership in a nuclear strike on Russian soil, Russian nukes will still launch. Automatically

    Dead Hand
    An example of fail-deadly and mutual assured destruction deterrence, it can automatically initiate the launch of the Russian intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) by sending a pre-entered highest-authority order from the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Strategic Missile Force Management to command posts and individual silos if a nuclear strike is detected by seismic, light, radioactivity, and pressure sensors even with the commanding elements fully destroyed
     
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  25. ricmortis

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    The real issue is not just USA ammunition, but Putin throwing away 100k Citizens as cannon fodder. I am sure he cares very little for his citizens who only get to read state sponsored one sided media. The Russian population has been manipulated for so long, I am sure it will be hard for them to learn more from the million who fled Russia and finally read unfiltered world politics. They may learn what the USA is doing, but also learn what Putin has and is doing. Sharing that with people inside Russia will be the second step along with Putin throwing away at the very least 100k people to possible future changes in Russia. If it comes down to the lesser of two evils, Eliminating Putin is the far greater evil. Just about every Russian is questioning this war. Any changes must come from within.
     
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