Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Azov Nazi's were aggressing against the Russian citizens long before 2014 Jacko .. Thats what led to the poor Russian's wanting to separate .. things got violent the Nazi's having the law on their side looking the other way ... Persecution .. just not quite as bad as the IDF on the Palestinian...

    Tis true that Russia aided the freedom fighters do defend themselves against the Azov Nazi .. which by 2014 had worked its way into the Gov't by way of US meddling in the political system .. a US puppet Regime installed .. turning a finger towards Vlad looking for some NATO love.

    But Vlad not going to let NATO anywhere near Strategic Port in Crimea - under control for 400 years .. and the Russians living in Crimea being abused .. the Azov Nazi burning more than 20 alive in one incident .. terrible carnage Vlad said Enough Secured Crimea from the Azov Nazi and US-NATO .. US can Stay away Vlad Say

    Now .. ya think Ukraine would learn lesson .. poke the bear one too many times and seen what happen.. but with the love of USA to rely on .. continued to be a bad neighbor .. .. now a civil war between Azov Nazi's and Russian separatists -- aka "Freedom fighters. "

    But .. as all love affairs between the US and its JV team du jour.. this one has not ended well . ... by end of Summer our teenage boys in the trenches will be out of Ammo .. and out of Men - The true reality of death and destruction of this conflict -- on a scale we have never seen before -- will start oozing out .. Massive numbers of Ukrainian casualties .. but few civilans .. think we are at 8000 last I heard .. very low.. The gentle giant you could say compared to the US ground and pound .. which wastes civilians in huge numbers.

    Big time meat grinder for the Ukrainian soldiers .. massive numbers of casualties .. the rate of which can not be sustained much longer than end of summer. .. and the AMMO situation .. Ukraine is now getting ammo from Pakistan .. and we are barely into it .. US Javalins .. blew through over 1/3rd of stocks .. just approved to send over 1000 more ... which is how many we produce in a year .. and would take 2 years to double production ..

    Ritter declared this one over .. and I think his logic is sound ... You know Ritter right ? Scott think is first name .. that guy .. yes no maybe ?
     
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    zalekbloom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are right – it looks you are not aware of the Russian history so I will spare you these links.

    Let’s assume Russia never signed any friendship pact with real Nazis, never had victory parade with real Nazis, never murdered / starved to death / jailed in gulags millions of innocent people, president Putin served in the world most humane institution KGB whose tasks was to end world hunger and in the short ‘special military operations’ Russian army has a great success destroying Nazi electricity, Nazi water, Nazi schools, Nazi kindergartners and Nazi nurseries.
     
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    All while being and acting like Nazi's at the same exact time! How Ironic!
     
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  4. Bill Carson

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    Oh, so you want to go there in defense of the beloved nazi ukraine? Seems zelensky does all things dictators DO but I don't hear peep outta YOU.

    Hang a banner out of an apartment window in ukraine that says "Odessa is a Russian City" ---- get (got) 15 years in prison.

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    The ukie land you keep defending is a stereotypical dictatorship. Study up, maybe you'll figure it out.
     
  5. Bill Carson

    Bill Carson Well-Known Member

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    You done went word salad on me, but sorry I just ate...not hungry. :bored: Last I checked, the nazi parades are every January 1 in several cities in the land that named the street that leads to Babi Yar after a vile nazi.....oh...yeah, that's ukraine. And yes, the Russians, Donbass Ukrainians and certain foreign mercenaries are doing quite well destroying nazi electricity, water, schools that nazis use to hide and everything else nazi. You may have heard....Russia is de-nazifying ukraine. As a Jewish fella, one would think you'd be a-okay with that. I guess not.

    If you want a Russian history lesson, it was the Russians that freed the Jews from Auschwitz. And here you are making ^^^^ comments like that. Pathetic.
     
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    https://www.easternherald.com/2022/11/29/odessa-citizen-imprisoned-russian-flag/

    "In addition, the State Bureau of Investigation said that the defendant collected and transmitted to the Russian side information about the armed forces of Ukraine and military facilities in Odessa, as well as “data on Ukrainian patriots.” In addition, as stated in the verdict, he “recruited former Ukrainian law enforcement officers for subversive activities against Ukraine.”

    Nazi Zelensky! Forbids collecting and transmitting to the Russian side information about the armed forces of Ukraine!
     
  7. Bill Carson

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    In addition, the zelensky dictorship makes up ****. The banner was hung and he got 15 years for it. That's all, case closed. Why don't you make yourself useful and ask zelensky why he won't rename the streets in Kyiv? Knock down some nazi statues? I guess that is protected speech, right??? :laughing:

    This banner isn't banned:

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    Me thinks these ukie military boys will never be charged with treason for promoting nazi ukraine.
     
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    US to send more ammo, folding armored bridges to Ukraine
    LOLITA C. BALDOR
    Thu, March 2, 2023 at 7:34 PM CST

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. is expected to announce a new package of military aid for Ukraine Friday, including —for the first time — eight armored vehicles that can launch bridges and allow troops to cross rivers or other gaps, U.S. officials said Thursday.

    The officials said the total cost of the package will be about $400 million and will also include large amounts of ammunition, such as rockets for the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems. It comes just a week after the one-year anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and as Ukrainian forces are preparing for a spring offensive.

    Officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the aid package has not yet been publicly announced.

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/us-send-more-ammo-folding-013424625.html

    Nice to see some new equipment to help with the counteroffensive being delivered. I'd like to thank Bill once again for remaining in the greatest nation on earth and paying your taxes to help support this great effort to resist Putler's naZi war of aggression in Ukraine. Together we will defeat the fascists.
     
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    Can't remember the last time you posted something true.

    https://checkyourfact.com/2022/12/13/fact-check-ukraine-prison-displaying-flag/
     
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    Thats a made up falsehood .. Reuters is not a "garbage website" nor the BBC - you are the dodge artist unable to come up with anything but false accusations - strawman fallacy, and attacking the messenger - Ad Hom Fallacy.

    Do you still believe that there is no censorship in Western Media ? --- then why do you scream "Liar Liar LIar" when presented with a BBC article about Ukrainian teens going to the front line after little training.

    These are hoplelessly lost positions from which you dodge and hide .. now trying to project your fallacious failings onto others behind their backs like a gossip queen
    Jack :)
     
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    So, you admit you get all your information from criminals in jail . . . interesting.
     
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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-about-ukraine.608401/page-20#post-1074066760

    This is a little unclear. Are you saying that you recognize that there is censorship in the western world?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-about-ukraine.608401/page-18#post-1074064455


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-about-ukraine.608401/page-18#post-1074064616
     
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    I am not surprised that you cannot link to any credible sources for your fake claims regarding Covid vaccination, etc.
     
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    Cheering on the meat grinder again Durandal ? ...feed more of those young Ukrainian lads into the trenches.. low on equipment .. low on ammo .. against the Russian Ground and poind which outnumbers 10-1 in artillery. Ukraine firing 7000 rounds a day .. Russia 20,000.

    Ukraine will be out of Ammo and running out of bodies by the end of summer says Ritter .. the war is over .. just a matter of how many more have to die to get there .. Ukraine getting crushed by the Ground and Pound Bakhmut .. biggest death toll so far on the Russian Side .. Whats the situate on the Ukrainian side .. where is your reporting from the West that doesn't censor anything ... inquiring minds want to know the Ukrainian death toll that you have been cheering up so loudly.

    Time to produce the goods .. where is the reporting on the Ukraine death toll in western media .. the one you claim has no censorship .. show us the figures :)
     
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    You never asked for a link .. and have yet to say what claim you are referring to related to covid ..so how could one provide such in this moronic dog chasing tail show you have created.

    What a Joke Bumpo .. you can't manage to state what claim with which you have issue .. and would like sources .. because you know you will be crushed .. and have been crushed on this previously in previous covid discussions . What part of "Doesn't prevent Transmission" - did you have trouble understanding after Madow said it did ?

    Sup Bumper .. were you "Blinded by the Madow" ? rather than Science .. reved up like a deuce .. runner in the night...

    What would you like to know about the vax .. or more to the topic .. propaganda related to the vax .. since this is what you wandered into ... some silly poster claiming no censorship in the West .. a position even your LINO backside can't sit on.

    Subject matter expert at your service .. got to follow the Science right Bumpo .. produce credible sources to back up claims .. confide to me these desperate idiological problems you are having - Coming to realize you were duped by the Biden Fauci Clown show ... fked over by propaganda .. sodomized by fallacious utilitarianism .. and still drinking the kool-aid .. ACLU no more .. or shold we say the woke version.. Tell me your troubles Bumper .. see if there is any poison lizards which may be extracted ... yeewahhhh .. dats what we do ..
     
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    Speaking of surprises Bumper .. and Ukraine .. How about your boy Biden Blowing up the Nord .. another Biden Blunder.. or or or .. No .. No Way .. No way you gonna tell me you think Hersh made the whole thing up .. or r u ?
     
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    Maybe the other Putin lover will give you one of his old toppers!

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    So Lame .. and very dissappointing .. all you can do is post silly pictures and name call ... deathly afraid of necessary illusion bubble popage.

    Sup Bumper .. Your Boy Biden make a Blunder ? or is Hersh telling a big fat story .. Running around crying "Russia Russia Russia" is not an answer nor an argument for anyting but some kind of McCarthy depravity.

    Seems we may have found ourselves a lizard !? .. now just have to pull !
     
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    Opening with a falsehood is no way to win a debate. Sorry, but you lost with your first sentence.
    Ritter?
    Ex-U.N. official Ritter convicted in underage Internet sex sting
    https://www.reuters.com › article › ex-u-n-official-ritter...


    Apr 14, 2011 — A Pennsylvania jury on Thursday found former high-ranking United Nations official Scott Ritter guilty in an Internet underage sex sting.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter
    His predictions on the Iraq war...
    "The United States is going to leave Iraq with its tail between its legs, defeated. It is a war we can not win ... We do not have the military means to take over Baghdad and for this reason I believe the defeat of the United States in this war is inevitable ... Every time we confront Iraqi troops we may win some tactical battles, as we did for ten years in Vietnam, but we will not be able to win this war, which in my opinion is already lost," Ritter added.[26]"

    I'm sure if these forums existed at the time you would have whole heartidly sided with him on that hot take ya?

    After we DESTROYED Iraq (pretty handily and opposite of good ole Scott's predictions...) He had this to say;

    "In February 2005, writing on Al Jazeera's website, Ritter wrote that the "Iraqi resistance" is a "genuine grassroots national liberation movement," and "History will eventually depict as legitimate the efforts of the Iraqi resistance to destabilize and defeat the American occupation forces and their imposed Iraqi collaborationist government."[29]

    In 2012, Ritter said the U.S. was "bankrupt, morally and fiscally, because of this war. The United States is the laughingstock of the world".[5]"


    You seeing a pattern here as to how this guy makes his money ya? He's been preaching the American downfall since the early 2000's. How are those predictions working out for him?

    Oh ya. He's also a pedophile.

    Wanna keep talkin about Scott?
     
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    Russian journalist Maria Ponomarenko sentenced to 6 years in prison
    February 15, 2023 9:32 AM EST

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    Paris, February 15, 2023 – In response to news reports that a Russian court on Wednesday sentenced journalist Maria Ponomarenko to six years in prison, the Committee to Protect Journalists issued the following statement of condemnation:

    “Russian authorities should be ashamed of the six-year prison sentence given to journalist Maria Ponomarenko, whose sole so-called crime was publishing information about the war in Ukraine that did not conform to the official narrative,” said Gulnoza Said, CPJ’s Europe and Central Asia program coordinator, in New York. “Authorities should not contest Ponomarenko’s appeal, drop all the charges against her, and stop jailing independent voices.”

    On Wednesday, February 15, a court in the Siberian city of Barnaul convicted Ponomarenko of spreading false information about the Russian military and sentenced her to six years in prison, along with a five-year ban on journalistic activities, according to those reports. Ponomarenko’s lawyer Dmitriy Shitov told CPJ via messaging app that the journalist planned to appeal the verdict and is imprisoned while that appeal is pending.

    ... https://cpj.org/2023/02/russian-journalist-maria-ponomarenko-sentenced-to-6-years-in-prison/
     
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    @Bill Carson a year and a day ago:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ne-mod-warning.597298/page-93#post-1073294644

    Shame Bill has no shame. He is consistently comically wrong about this war and always has been, but never seems to care.
     
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