Trump to be indicted on Wednesday, report to Court next week

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Reportedly, Citizen Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud in an indictment from a Manhattan grand jury concerning the least of the unlawful activities for which he is currently under investigation.

    I have not seen the indictment, can't speculate regarding his guilt or innocence, and recognize that he will have the opportunity to clear his name concerning these charges.

    I have no hyper-partisan fantasies concerning the grand jury, nor the judge or the jury of his peers that will examine the evidence.

    I support America's system of jurisprudence.
     
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    No, lack of standing is not about evidence. It is about the person bringing the suit having personal skin in the game.

    That is the way it should be. Show no evidence, get no trial.

    There was all kinds of evidence. Was it real? Was it enough? Nobody knows. Certainly I don't know. But I do know that it was never investigated. If you think that is not true feel free to provide a report from a properly conducted investigation. I've been asking for such a report for years to no avail. Be kind enough to have your stuff together before fussing with me.
     
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    Then how do you know it has 30 counts?
     
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    You don't think this indictment is political. Lol. You can't be that naive. Would the case have been brought it Trump had resigned and not registered to run in the 2024 election. If you say yes then I offer LOL in capital letters. Use some common sense instead of partisan hackery.
     
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    Trump has shown no indication he is considering running against District Attorney Bragg.

    In any event, a jury will judge Citizen Trump on the evidence with which it will be presented, and the defense attorneys will have the opportunity to refute it.

     
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    I don't. That is why I said, "Reportedly, Citizen Trump faces more than 30 counts related to business fraud in an indictment from a Manhattan grand jury..."
     
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    I've heard the reports.
     
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    I see. That Bragg and Trump belong to opposing polical parties means that politics aren't involved? If there is a trial, then one hopes it will run as it should. Having lost my faith in and respect for our current justice system, I'm skeptical that it will go as it should. Paying off Stormy Daniels is not a crime. It will have to be much better than that.
     
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    A comment on your excuse that it was "reportedly" 30 counts. Since nobody knows the contents of the indictment, that means that the details were leaked to whomever reported it. Such a leak is a felony. Nobody but a member of the Manhattan DA office or the grand jury could have leaked it. Are you comfortable with the leaker being found and prosecuted for an actual crime? Time to launch an investigation into the leak.
     
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    I have no reason to suspect that the grand jury did not carefully consider the evidence with which it was presented, nor would I second guess an adjudication that has not yet taken place.

    Whatever the charges are, they will be decided on their merits.

    That is how the American justice system works.
     
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    Grand juries only hear one side. I'm not criticizing the jury. The worked with what they had. I criticize Bragg.

    Maybe. Maybe not. There is too much emotion and partisanship to say that definitively.

    OK sea lawyer. Better to say that is how the American justice system should work.
     
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    What actual evidence do you have that Bragg is not properly doing his job? Do Trump attorneys have a basis for challenging his professionalism in court, rather than just in the partisan media?

    That's why efforts are made to separate the jury from the partisan hoopla and propaganda as the evidence is dispassionately considered.

    If there is reason to believe that is not achieved, there is legal recourse.
     
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    No doubt about it… Bragg’s political maneuver is the perfect :icon_shithitsthefanexample of election interference by the opposition party!
     
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    Why what is a conspiracy theory?
    Bragg investigation being purely political?

    If that's it. Show the proof.
    Else it's just a State DA doing his job.
     
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    Correct.
    But valid evidence is needed to begin an investigation.
    61 cases trump people brought to courts. 60 were rejected due to lack of evidence.
    Simply put, there's been no evidence to even begin investigations.

    Can you Provide the evidence and show what was not investigated that should have been.
    And don't say, mail in ballots, unless you have proof there were mailed ballots done illegally.
     
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    Yes, try that.

    Nothing is proven until there's an investigation.
    What do you claim has been proven. Show your work.

    Think it through before responding. I bet, I know, you have nothing.
     
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    All of it is.
    That's why you can't provide any proof or links to back anything up.
     
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    Can you prove it's political?
    Yes, case would be brought even if he decided to not run again.

    But, I can change my mind with credible evidence to the contrary. So I await your proof.

    Use common sense instead of partisan conspiracy theory.
    Why should anyone accept your own personal belief? Give some valid proof.
     
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    Good point.
    Is trump running for DA of NY?
     
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    Ordinary Citizen Trump is running against the New York County District Attorney, posting childish pictures to wee wee up his weird worshipers -

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    - and, then lying about having done so.​

    Trump called Bragg an "animal" and raved against the consequences of his having his day in court concerning relatively minor offenses (He faces worse.) as unleashing

    If the charges (yet to be revealed) are as baseless as the Loser claims, why is he hyping them and pissing and moaning in his pathetic, petty personal attacks upon a public official concerning whom he has presented no evidence of malfeasance, whatsoever?
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    Generating media hype is obviously a moneymaker for the Loser, and contriving another personal vendetta may be his best option when his legal prospects are bleak. If it were the "open and shut" case Trump wants his bobble-headed bum kissers to believe, why is he hyping the matter of his paying hush money to bimbos with whom he rutted behind the back of a pregnant trophy wife? Common sense would dictate a low-key focus on actual evidence.

    Trump's blowing gas against the justice system requires that he have a scapegoat to vilify, despite his conspicuous impotence in exposing any improprieties concerning Public Servant Bragg.
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    LOL. You actually are that naive. Amazing.
     
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    Common sense. I can smell politics whenever I get close enough. Don't pretend to be naive. You know this is political as well as I do.

    The grand juries are also separated from any exculpatory evidence. It is a one sided affair. But it is not a trial. It is merely an excuse used by the prosecution to back up an indictment. It allows the DA to blame the jury. The man should have had enough inner strength to bring the indictment all by himself. I'm not against grand juries when they are used for purposes other than politics.
     
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    With demographics like the above, is it really surprising that the GJ would indict Trump? And with the same demographics what is the chance of him getting a fair trial? I won't be surprised if a motion to move the trial is not made and of course rejected by the Judge in the case. This case is ripe for appeal.
     
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    If you answered the question, they may not be as naive.
    Why don't you help them out and explain it?
    It's ok to have an opinion, but just understand that that's all it is, is an opinion.
     
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    I am sure both trash talked Hillary.
     

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