Trump to be indicted on Wednesday, report to Court next week

Your partisanship reeks. His worshipers are upset that Ordinary Citizen Trump is not above the law.

Majority of Americans approve of Trump indictment


You have no evidence of the District Attorney discharging his duties irresponsibly.

You just don't like his presenting sufficient evidence to obtain an indictment of Trump.

If charges against him are insufficient to convict him of this relatively minor offense, he will be acquitted.

That is how impartial justice based upon the facts is achieved in the United States.

 

None of it is, nor could you prove me wrong. The links you’ve posted in the past continue to not prove what you claim. But objectively speaking, none of it is conspiracy.

 

Astounding projection. The partisanship of this banana republic witch hunt is astounding.

 

You still have not presented your evidence of the District Attorney's alleged improprieties.

Shrieking that he is an "animal!" does not achieve that.

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If you don't insist that you're above the law, contest the charges in court with exculpatory evidence, not whiny hysterics such as "Thugs and Radical Left Monsters!" and sissy Chicken Little raving:​

Trump Warns of ‘Death and Destruction’ After Indictment
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Yes I have, as has Trumps legal team. It’s beyond question this man’s political loyalty and his rabid irrational hatred. This witch hunt is banana republic nonsense.

 

No, calling the New York County District Attorney an "animal!" because he brought an indictment against Citizen Trump based upon evidence presented to a Grand Jury does not suggest inappropriate conduct by him. Quite the contrary. Smearing a prosecutor does not constitute a legal defense.

 

The prosecutions motivations, specifically when political and dealing with a prior president, absolutely function as a legal defense . That’s why it’s already been brought up.

 

If Trump's attorneys need to discredit the case, they'll need to show that the District Attorney mishandled or falsified the evidence upon which the indictment recommended by the Grand Jury is based.

Do you actually believe they are concealing such information instead of allowing Trump to throw a tantrum and vilify Bragg?

 

Bias absolutely plays a role as this demonstrates the manner in which the law is being applied and defined, since virtually every law up up for interpretation. I’m not surprised you didn’t know this but it’s been the case since law was created. And Trumps legal team already argued this, and they are correct.

 

What partisanship? I don't belong to a political party. I don't even approve of political parties. My comments have nothing to do with Trump. They are about weaponizing the judicial system. I can't believe you are so naive that you can't see the politics in this. Perhaps the partisanship is on your side.

 

It is an observation of the facts. I can smell politics from miles away. Apparently you cannot. It is OK not to be able to identify political actions.

 

You have not shown evidence of bias, political or otherwise.

You have not shown evidence of misconduct by the District Attorney.

You have shown that you don't like Trump being indicted for falsely claiming that his hush money paid to one of his bimbos was a legal expense.

If there is insufficient evidence to convict Trump of this minor offense, he will be found not guilty.

That is how our justice system works.

 

It's not that I can't "smell politics", but prefer to see the cold hard facts.
But let me just point this out: much of what Trump says or does is political play. Lots of the politicians play the game. For example, he is talking about how it's a political ploy before he actually knows what the charges are, and has been doing that for his entire political career. Was Ted Cruz's relative implicated in JFK's murder? That was a political ploy. The only reason he said it was because Cruz was a political opponent at the time. I could go on and on, but I think you get the picture.
Anyway, as I said before, we all have our different routes for forming opinions. I'm not saying mine are perfect, but they are mine.
Criticize if you must. But you know the old saying about assuming.

 

[QUOTE="fmw, post: 1074129439, member: 22801"]What partisanship? I don't belong to a political party. I don't even approve of political parties. My comments have nothing to do with Trump. They are about weaponizing the judicial system. I can't believe you are so naive that you can't see the politics in this. Perhaps the partisanship is on your side.[/QUOTE]
Charging someone based upon evidence on the recommendation of a grand jury and giving the accused his day in court to refute the charges is how our judicial system works, not whining about an "animal!" and evoking "death and destruction!"

Just because the accused raves in the media that such an indictment is politically-partisan rather than contriving a substantive refutation in court does not make it political on the prosecutorial side.

 

I assume nothing. I just look at the facts. I view politics as humanity at its worst and we seem to be infected with it everywhere in government. We would do well to find a way to get past politics if that is possible.

 

Charging someone based upon evidence on the recommendation of a grand jury and giving the accused his day in court to refute the charges is how our judicial system works, not whining about an "animal!" and evoking "death and destruction!"[/quote]

I didn't whine or say anything like that.

No it doesn't. I agree. What makes it political is Bragg's action. I think you can figure out the issue if you try a little harder. I haven't been talking about Trump at all in this thread. I have only talked about weaponizing the judicial system.

 

That's a great wish, but I think "politics" is an inherent aspect of human nature. I think about the politics that are in play in our daily lives, like where we work. There are politics sometimes in families, younger brother figures out how to manipulate parents by using information about older sister, etc.
As they say, I "feel you", but don't have much hope on that happening. Best case scenario is that we understand politics, and try not to get too worked up over them.
It isn't easy though..............

 

If Alvin Bragg were on the record railing that the accused is an "animal!," he would have revealed himself to be an unbalanced and irresponsible individual, disgracing his public trust.

I am not aware of his throwing any such tantrum. He appears to be sane.

Crackpot stuff:

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“THIS IS AN ATTACK ON OUR COUNTRY
THE LIKES OF WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE.
IT IS LIKEWISE A CONTINUING ATTACK ON
OUR ONCE FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS.
THE USA IS NOW A THIRD WORLD NATION,
A NATION IN SERIOUS DECLINE. SO SAD!”​

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No, Trump did.

Bragg has shown no evidence of any such derangement.

 

I have thought of something......(cringe)
Trump did do something I saw with my own eyes, in regards to the NY case, that was, imo, against the law, but we'll have to see if he is charged with it.
Threatening a government official. When he posted what he did on social media, and wrote what he wrote with it, I could see that being construed as a threat on a government official. It didn't help that Bragg was mailed a fake poisoned letter lately, after Trump's online rampage. There is a lot of leeway in the freedom of speech, but I think there's a point to which it becomes a threat and possibly illegal.
I think that if one of us "peons" did that we would be locked up. In fact, Trump actually seems to get away with a lot of stuff that normal folks would be in a lot of trouble for, just because he is rich, or president, or former president, whatever.

 

It is easy to understand if you understand that government can't get in the way of free speech but what one says with that freedom can have consequences. One is free to defame another but the defamation can have the person in court with a lawsuit. The two things are not mutually exclusive. I believe defamation is not a criminal thing. It is handled as a tort. So it wouldn't involve a district attorney.

 

True his derangement is politics.

 

You are likely correct. I don't see any cure for the condition either. If we could just contain the politics to the campaigns things would improve. If one wins an election they should be able to put the politics to bed until the next election. Instead everything the politician does is in preparation for the next election. We can affect that with a single term limit.

 

Neither Trump nor his weird worshipers have shown where District Attorney Bragg has ever said or done anything improper.

Vilification without any examples of wrong-doing is vapid bluster, not a valid legal defense strategy.

 

Sorry, using the justice system for a political purpose is wrongdoing. You will get there eventually.